Yep. They’re starting already. This will not end well and Matt Gaetz should be impeached from office. A sitting member of government should not be calling for violence against said government. They’re getting more bold and dangerous with their statements. By the time Trump loses the next election they’ll be inciting them to war.
Genuinely, don’t bank on them losing. We can’t afford to underestimate the mass appeal of strongman rhetoric. It’s completely fucked. But this exact approach has worked as a precursor to a lot of authoritarian regimes.
I can't believe how many people I'm seeing who automatically assume that it's going to be an auto-lose for the right in the upcoming election. Do they not remember how everyone had this exact sentiment in 2015? We can't let ourselves fall any further by losing again to someone we thought couldn't win.
In the weeks before Jan. 6, Trump supporters boasted publicly that they had submitted fake electors on his behalf, but the Justice Department declined to investigate the matter in February 2021, The Post found. The department did not actively probe the effort for nearly a year, and the FBI did not open an investigation of the electors scheme until April 2022, about 15 months after the attack.
The Justice Department’s painstaking approach to investigating Trump can be traced to Garland’s desire to turn the page from missteps, bruising attacks and allegations of partisanship in the department’s recent investigations of both Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election and Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.
Inside Justice, however, some lawyers have complained that the attorney general’s determination to steer clear of any claims of political motive has chilled efforts to investigate the former president. “You couldn’t use the T word,” said one former Justice official briefed on prosecutors’ discussions.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
This is what I don’t get. What’s the end game here? Why are people so hell bent on Trump winning? Do these politicians not see the ship sinking? What possible motivation could be keeping these people loyal to him? I’m not talking about the regular constituents but the other republican officials in office? What the hell do they stand to gain here?
Because they have made a deal with the devil and throwing in the towel means payment comes due. Thanks to the southern strategy Republicans hitched their proverbial wagon to the Christian extremists (who make up the bulk of the racists the southern strategy is predicated on). Decades of propaganda by the likes of Fox "News", Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, and Glenn Beck has left their party deeply mired with conspiracy theorists and people with only a tenuous grasp of reality, and an equal number of grifters and con artists preying on those same vulnerable populations. These people are the backbone of Trumps support and they have for various reasons completely embraced him in some cases even as a literal messiah. The Republican party is already struggling to attract enough voters to continue to win elections without resorting to voter fraud, they literally can not afford to give up a single voter, and turning against Trump at this point would shatter their party.
Trump is an existential threat to the Republican party, but one that perversely they can't publicly attack without inciting the very thing that would destroy them. Like Frakenstein they've created a monster, and now it has turned on them. They're frantically trying to keep its ire focused anywhere but on themselves and just hoping it does more damage to their opponents than it does to them before they can think up some way to contain or kill it.
They want a race war. They want concentration camps and mass killings of anyone they deem a liberal. Reinstate slavery and to hurt a lot of people. That's their in game. It's a playbook written on writing a tidal wave of hate and emotions.
"And so, to all my friends here in Iowa, when you see them come for this man, know that they are coming for our movement and they are coming for all of us."
Not even pretending not to be fascist. Straight out of the playbook.
What makes you think vigilantilism is a problem with the extreme left?
Just as an example off the top of my head, the murder of Ahmaud Arbery was done by right-wing looneys and defended by the far-right as morally good vigilantilism, leading to the repeal of Georgia's citizens arrest laws (i.e., their laws for legal vigilantilism).
This isn't hard to understand at all. Unless you want to throw out the laws that define our society and perscribe to vigilante justice based on feelings, instead of evidence and juries.
A jury of his peers found Trump guilty of being a rapist, but I have yet to see a single "law and order!!! we have to rely on evidence and juries!!!" Trump follower acknowledge that.
If the majority of people used force to get what they wanted, it would not be any of the shit that the GOP wanted because they are a minority. The only thing protecting them is that society has accepted to change things through voting instead of violence. Fuck with that at your own peril, dumbass.
It's a little scary that this environment (social media) leads so many to believe that, but it's just not reality. At best conservative ideology is at parity with liberal ideology in the US. At worst, it's actually a slight majority and has been on the rise since 2020. I'd rather we avoid Civil War 2.0 at the risk of actually losing this time.
This is wrong. Public opinion polls on abortion, LGBT rights, climate change, racism, etc. all show healthy majorities in opposition to the Republican party's policies. The word "liberal" doesn't do well because of an aggressive multi-decade marketing campaign trashing it, but liberal values are well supported.
You're forgetting demographics. The elderly is primarily republican, whereas the 40 and under crowd leans heavily democratic.
Most people won't fight unless the battle is outside their door anyway, and the people who want war would probably need to cross state lines to accomplish anything, in which case they would be going up against the national guard and not just a bunch of hippies in hatchbacks.
Whoever starts the war, should it be started, will lose it, 100%. It won't even be a contest.
I'd rather we avoid Civil War 2.0 at the risk of actually losing this time.
While I appreciate the sentiment, I would rather live in a fractured nation than a fascist one. Those who would sacrifice liberty for the sake of security deserve neither.
I had thought that the Iowa Caucus losing its first-in-the-nation status would keep these leeches out of the state but now I guess the Fair is their excuse to saddle up the clown car.
What are the genestealers? I've heard of them, but I don't know what they do or who they are working for. I assume they are trying to get their hands on space marine geneseed but that's about it.
To be fair, that's also the line he uses when discussing how to get into a reluctant high-schooler's pants if they're not impressed by his congressional career.
The people who could be roused by people like this are dumb, out-of-shape pussies, they do not scare me. January 6th was the least intimidating sight to behold, and I'm not trying to sound tough, I'm just highlighting the incompetence in these mouth-breathers.
With enough sheer will they could make short term gains but fascists authoritarianism always fails in the end because it is predicated on the lack of discussion and free thought.