17-year-old shot and killed by officer conducting welfare check
17-year-old shot and killed by officer conducting welfare check
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17-year-old shot and killed by officer conducting welfare check
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I'm gonna go with: don't send cops on welfare checks. Send somebody competent to respond to mental health challenges, preferably someone not wearing a police uniform (after all, at this point a lot of folks think "unaccountable killer" when they see that uniform and there's honestly reason for that).
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The officer involved in the shooting has been placed on administrative leave, state police said.
They need to start keeping then in jail cells like they do with everyone else whi commits a homicide
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That would have to be negotiated in the Police Union contracts. Same reason they can't fire pedo teachers immediately, they are contractually obligated to keep paying them until they are investigated or found guilty.
Most of these cops "retire" to end the internal investigation and keep their benefits, then decide to "unretire", and get hired in the next town with a clean record.
The police have one of the strongest unions in America, and almost no one bats an eye. But let Starbucks employees try to unionize and you'll hear how greedy and corrupt unions are.
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Fuck that. State or federal police should be arresting them that day. The local cops bargaining only matters because we allow it.
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Most of these cops "retire" to end the internal investigation and keep their benefits, then decide to "unretire", and get hired in the next town with a clean record.
This is honestly the only real problem imo. I get sometimes it's a pretty obvious case, but we do still have due process and they deserve their time in court, no matter how shit they are.
If they couldn't investigate themselves and the investigations didn't just end when they quit, we'd be in a much better place.
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Jail cell for thee, paid vacation for me 🐷
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I’ll say it again and again, before you call the cops for anything, you need to remember what you’re actually doing. You are willingly inviting an armed person, who will not lose a fight or back down, who is shielded from legal consequences, into your situation.
Grandpa isn’t answering his phone or the door and you’re worried? Call a locksmith, not the cops. Cops will just kick the door or call the locksmith anyway, now you have extra problems
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That's what defund the police is about. It's about shifting the funding to other sources, social workers and such, that can handle calls like these. It relieves police of having to deal with stuff like this, too.
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Defund was a horrible fucking name for the movement though. We'd need the conservatives to be on board and they're not going for that shit cause they'll stop listening as soon as they think you're taking power away from their tastiest boots.
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Agreed. Don’t call the cops, figure your own shit out and call the appropriate professional for your situation
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Can we give them the benefit of the doubt, please? They probably thought the child was a dog or a partner of theirs... ACAB
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"The Columbus Police Department was conducting a welfare check on a subject following a report of potential self-harm," Nebraska State Patrol said in a press release.
"Mission Accomplished"
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Self - ❌
Harm - ✅
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Call of Duty: Modern Welfare
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Can't self harm if you're already dead
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The awfulness of the story aside, I do want to put a small bit of appreciation toward ABC News for not dropping some bullshit like "17-year-old man dead following an officer-involved shooting during a welfare check." The voice is passive still, but at least it cuts to the point, that the kid was killed by a police officer.
My only notes are that it should say "Officer shot and killed 17-year-old while conducting a welfare check." As it is, it's like it's saying the kid was shot and killed, and it just so happened to be by an officer.
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Dear police: you cannot check the welfare of someone by shooting them with your gun. Thanks, ACAB.
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Actually you can... It's just that the welfare check will result with "dead".
Schrodinger could have shot the box a bunch & figured out the cat's welfare...
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Capital punishment as social welfare.
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Reminds me of that joke about the hunters in the woods.
"911, what's your emergency?"
Help, my friend got bit by a snake and I think he's dead!
"Keep calm, and make sure if he's actually dead."
BLAM
Okay, he's definitely dead
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"There is no active threat to the community, Columbus police said."
False.
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As an Ohioan this is a weird way to find out there's a Columbus Nebraska
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If you wonder why American cops are so trigger happy Amnesty International has the answer:
With Whom are Many U.S. Police Departments Training? With a Chronic Human Rights Violator – Israel
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I'd honestly rather have them train with the American military if they have to train with one at all. Then we're one step close to putting them under UCMJ and watching them babble about someone walking towards them in a court full of combat veterans.
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Thank you. Didn't know that.
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In the USA, you may get shot by a policeman by answering a welfare check.
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In the USA, you may get shot by a policeman
FTFY
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Who cares it's not like it was a Fetus!
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For some reason the police just love to murder suicidal people. I think that the brain of a conservative short circuits at the thought of it, then the monkey rage comes out.
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I don't understand the relationship between suicide and conservatives. Can you explain?
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Assuming that your question was genuine (the downvoters probably assume you're a troll), I am just philosophizing. A lot of conservatives have a complete lack of empathy for other people and will often become angry at seeing people who present as "weak". It's the way that bullies work--they look for the vulnerable people and target in on them for harassment. I am convinced that conservatives can't handle the concept of suicide. They have spent their lives not really introspecting and so never have the capacity to feel that way. I feel that they react emotionally and violently to the thought, which is what leads to so many police officers simply shooting and killing people who wanted to commit suicide.
Google it, you'll find 5-10 or so articles about this EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
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I confirmed he was on welfare, so I shot him.
Cop, probably.
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I mean, technically he did do a welfare check. He made sure there was no welfare whatsoever
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American Police Version of: Mental health issue solved quickly and permanently.
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This is why conservatives shouldn't have guns or authority of any kind.
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They need to send qualified people. Cops are so trigger happy and everyone knows it. At this point the easiest way to commit suicide is to call the cops on yourself, wait for them to arrive, take a $15 airsoft pistol out the door with you, turn so they can see it, wait for them to draw their guns, then level the airsoft pistol as quickly as you can at one of the cops and then boom! I imagine it's not super popular because cops aren't the best shot, and you might not die.
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They send qualified immune people. It makes for less paperwork and quicker resolutions.
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So... did the cops ignore the word 'self,' did they don't know what the word 'self' means, or did they just want to go a-huntin'?
Because I'm guessing it's #3.
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Not the first time police stops a self harm with a murder. It's actually a trend.
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FEBRUARY 8, 2024 (Columbus, Nebraska) — The Nebraska State Patrol is able to provide additional details on the Columbus Police Department officer-involved shooting that occurred Tuesday afternoon.
At approximately 1:00 p.m. Tuesday, February 6, Columbus police officers were conducting a welfare check following a report of potential self-harm at a residence in the 3600 block of 39th Avenue in Columbus. Officers contacted the subject, a 17-year-old male, inside the residence. The subject was in possession of a knife.
During the encounter, a Columbus police officer discharged their duty weapon, striking the subject. Another officer deployed a taser during the incident. The subject succumbed to injuries and was pronounced deceased at the scene.
The subject has been identified as Chase Ditter, 17, of Columbus.
The Columbus Police Department has requested the Nebraska State Patrol to investigate the incident. The NSP Special Investigations Team is conducting the in-custody death investigation.
The Columbus Police Department has placed both officers involved in the incident on administrative leave. The NSP investigation remains ongoing.
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Wait, does that mean one cop shot him and then another cop tasered him after he was shot?
Jesus Christ, cops are fucking stupid.
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Yes, for the crime of threatening to cut yourself with a knife in your own home. This is actually one of the favorite hobbies of cops, along with shooting deaf people in the back for not responding.
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I know it's just standard boilerplate language for describing what happened in the most neutral tone possible, but
During the encounter, a Columbus police officer discharged their duty weapon, striking the subject. Another officer deployed a taser during the incident.
feels gross to read. I know that "motherfucker shot the kid, and the other motherfucker tased him" isn't exactly neutral, but I think it expresses what happened more honestly.
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Welfare ... Warfare what's the difference
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About 3 shades of brown
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Mentally ill get shot regardless of race, just like trans
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It's so heartwarming that the people whose paychecks are paid by the taxpayers, get to go around and murder random taxpayers for no reason. It was a welfare check, so clearly the only logical outcome is the cop murdering the kid. Makes perfect sense. Remember when George Floyd was killed by a police officer?
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"There is no active threat to the community, Columbus police said"
You killed the community member in question of harm, surely that would mean the community has a threat.
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Don't they have laws to protect the population from free walking murder suspects?
Sorry for who has to live there.
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laws don't protect people.
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of course not, thats true.
but i think laws should have some "binding" effect on how police acts on suspects of murder like separating the suspects from their comrades to disenabling them from making up cover stories until beeing presented to a court or such? also disenabling them from:
- walking free and killing a next victim (maybe accidental witnesses they want to get rid of for undenyable cover stories)
- destroying evidences as they seem fit
- vanishing forever as they like
- creating false evidences
All this is not regulated to at least some degree in laws to be followed strictly by police officers? i am not talking about laws preventing actions of one person or two, but laws binding police in general on how to handle these suspects depending on the crime suspected and that there seems to be no doubt who was on-scene when that happened.
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Hey, what if a terminally I'll crazy patient visit the police department of every city? I mean many terminally I'll patients. They could be 12 years old if that helps.
Wouldn't they all just start shooting themselves in a crazy shark feeding stupid way? Like when you see Koi ponds getting fed and all the Koi make the pond go crazy.
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Wow. There are literally zero details in this article and everyone has labeled the cop a murderer. What a thankless, shit job, police. Could it not have been that the officer arrived on scene to an armed individual who then attempted to murder him? He's conducting a welfare check, the person he's checking on may not be all there.... Both the checker and the checkee are humans and matter here!
Which is where I and the rest of the ACAB folks will probably start to agree - cops shouldn't be the ones responding to these calls. The hard part is that sending unarmed social workers into dangerous scenarios is not the answer either. Tough problem to solve. World's not perfect. Give your fellow human the benefit of the doubt, though. Not every cop is a murderous bastard, and thinking that way isn't helping anyone except tickling your own smug feelings. It's also a sweeping generalization, something that's both foolish and frowned upon these days. This an appeal to the humanity in all of you - quit writing off humans with a single acronym. You are removing their humanity and labelling them a monster. We can look to history to learn from the same mistake.
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Wow. There are literally zero details in this article and everyone has labeled the cop a murderer.
If they stopped randomly murdering innocent people, people would stop assuming it...
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He's conducting a welfare check, the person he's checking on may not be all there....
Which is exactly why a person with minimal mental health training shouldn't be the one doing this. Especially if they're armed.
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I wouldnt be surprised if this was suicide by cop. But its still indicative of a structural problem that such a thing is possible.
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Level headed take gets downvotes. Classic Lemmy.
Regardless of how people feel about the above posters opinion, it's a valid opinion, and people should engage in an open minded discussion instead of knee-jerk downvoting.
As a community, we're better than that.
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If you go to check on someone knowing they're trying to self-harm and that they have a knife, you know what you can do to protect yourself?
Back away.
Unless this is one of those automatic machine knifes I've been hearing about.
Even so, I'm still pretty sure "self-harm" doesn't mean "attack others," so backing away would probably work.
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Oh boy, this post ain't gonna be popular. Humor me and read it all.
First off, there's no meat on the bone here. Police called on a young man threatening self-harm, young man killed. Nothing to see here ATM.
Did the kid have a gun? Did he threaten the cops? WTF happened?! Nothing in this story addresses the simplest questions. Hell, it didn't ask questions, let alone get answers. FFS, this is Journalism 101. (I literally took that class, and more.)
Here's the question we should all be asking: Why are police the default mental health responders in America? We can all give a dozen reasons why that's bullshit, but that's not interesting. How do we actually make change? Read on.
"Defund the police" is the dumbest political slogan I've ever heard. Jesus. I know what's meant. You know what's meant. Worst. Marketing. Ever.
Had an opinion changing YouTube binge last night. Watched a dozen sov cits getting their asses handed to them in court. That evolved into watching cops bust idiots running around impersonating police officers.
In both cases I was stunned at the calm and measured responses from the judges and cops involved. Over and over and over again. The patience on display was stunning. Me? LOL, I'd throw these asses in jail or beat them down with a billy club. Been on the receiving end of bad judges and cops. As bad as you think it is now, didn't used to be like that!
And why is it so much better today? We got public CAMERAS. I can usually argue both sides of an argument, if you can't, you don't understand the argument. I got nothing arguing cops shouldn't be wearing body cams.
Of course you don't release the footage immediately to the public! Of course you don't live stream that shit! And yes, there's a technical\budgetary cost well above buying a fat HDD.
Still, recording is plenty doable. And we can work out sane ways for those recordings to go public.
Go to your local sheriff's FB page and ask why they're not using body cams. Demand answers. LOL, I got no answers from mine. But press them anyway and do not stop!
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First of all, it's an active investigation involving a minor. It's likely that information won't be provided even if you ask.
Secondly, for someone who took journalism, you don't seem to understand something called research. If you did any sort of research, you would understand that defund the police was a reallocation of funds away from the police to things like mental health professionals instead of decommissioned M16s.
You should stop watching YouTube for your
propagandacontent. There are other countries in this world that do use police for wellness checks but the USA is the number one for killings during those checks.-
They were saying they understood and agreed with the tenets of "defund the police" but thought that phrase was terrible marketing. It's an easy target for the opposition to sway anyone in the middle, because it sounds like getting rid of police entirely.
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If you did any sort of research, you would understand that defund the police was a reallocation of funds away from the police to things like mental health professionals instead of decommissioned M16s.
Ah, just like KAM is not all men, "Dead men can't rape" is a fair and kind slogan, and "Believe all women" is a great campaign because women are naturally, immune to greed and would never use rape accusations as leverage or a punishing tool.
There are bad cops, and sadly they are far too many, that is a fact I won't even try to deny, but reactionary comments like this are similar to a person killing another on self defense, but the deceased was gay, so the self defense argument is ignored, and the killer is charged with murder, aggravated with a hate crime.
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While I generally agree with the need to ask those questions, you’re starting with the presumption that everything was handled appropriately and the onus is on the observers to question it. Maybe that’s even true in the majority of cases.
However that is NOT the expected outcome for that type of call. A lot of us will start with the assumption that a welfare check should not end in someone dead. The onus is on the responders to explain why this is different, and the onus is on all of us to improve the system if the responder had inappropriate skills and actions
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Did the kid have a gun?
Hmm... let's find out...
While at the residence conducting the welfare check, police made contact with the teen, who had a knife, the NSP said in a release Thursday.
It wouldn't have been too hard for you to find out.
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Except from the COPS WHO KEEP FUCKING SHOOTING EVERYONE YOU STUPID CUNTS