Some Democrats Want To Help Nikki Haley As A Way To Mess With Trump

Didn't we try the whole Dems helping Republicans thing before? And didn't that get us into this whole-ass mess to begin with, Hillary?
- I'm sure Biden won't ignore WI, MI, PA this time around like Hillary did.
  
  In fairness I blame Stein for that shit. Her voters would have flipped every single one of those states had Putin not been encouraging her to spoil in favor of the wannabe authoritarian.
- Haley isn't going to win but voting for her in the primaries will help fracture the republican party further.
  
  If she wins the primaries, there's no way Trump won't run as an independent.
  
  Or it won't. It will look like they are more popular and bolster the outlook for the party.
- Yeah but Haley doesn't validate rural white voters wanting to say the N word without social consequences the way Trump does.
  Trump promises to make the grandkids start coming home for christmas again, Haley promises to return to the Republicans paying the nominal lipservice to that mentality being a bad thing that was driving trump's supporters nuts with the party before the brass bullshitter came along.
  The net effect will more likely be trump still winning and then either Haley's supporters feeling alienated from how much Trump goes feral against her in the process, or Trump is blocked from running and he still loses via a write in third party run from the cult of trump
  
  She didn't list slavery as a reason for the Civil War. She'd absolutely validate the racists if she got the nomination.

Why the fuck are liberals still doing this shit? Was getting trump elected not enough of a sign that it's stupid and doesn't work??
- It's like they forgot Hillary Clinton literally propped up Trump because she thought he'd never win.
- Because even if Haley won “by accident” that’s still infinitely better than Trump.
  
  Not really. She is still likely to enact project 2025 upon taking office. To paraphrase one conservative, she is really good at looking like a normal politician. She's a confederate zombie back from the dead.
  https://www.project2025.org/

Stop playing fucking metagames and learn how to govern.

Braindead strategy. How about galvanizing voters with popular leadership decisions which have a positive effect on people’s lives?! Did you think to try that you dumb fucks?
- How to lose an election and radicalize voters: a memoir of America by the DNC
  
  Chapter 1: How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - the 2016 Elections
- The Democratic National Committee is controlled opposition. Obama was a fantastic president by Republican standards, Hillary, while more qualified than any candidate has ever been, has the charisma of a dumpster cheeseburger (iT wUz HEr TurN), Joe is a Nixon-era neocon goofus. They don't want to win, but if they happen to accidently win, they make sure it's someone safe and slightly right-of-center.
  
  The last Democrat to take office was Jimmy Carter. After Reagan successfully convinced the electorate that the concept of governing is prima facie a bad idea, Dems seized the opportunity to engage in a hard-right shift and position themselves as "fiscally common-sense but socially liberal" and weaponize intersectionality into identity politics so that we'd all think it was a great victory if our tax money was being redistributed to big banks by a black man, illegal drone assassinations were being ordered by a woman and labor laws were being undermined by a gay man.
- popular leadership decisions which have a positive effect on people’s lives
  That will cost them donor money. A long time ago Dems realized that it's a lot easier to turn money into votes than it is to turn votes into money.

Isn't this how we got trump in the first place?
- Yes. Hilary thought he was easy work. Blew up in her face.
  
  Blew up in all our faces
- Yep.

That would be the most Dem thing Dems have ever done. Play games and get Haley elected when Biden would have just cruised over trump.
- I don't suspect Biden will just cruise over Trump. Look at the polls, Trump leads in swing states. I hope Biden can win, but it won't be easy.
  
  Don't mention polling. Centrists hate it because it indicates that their constant shift rightward has become unpopular.
  
  Actual results since roe was overturned have been +9 towards dem/dem supported policies than polling has said. I still have hope.
  
  If he's lost the Muslim vote, hopefully he has, he's gonna lose by enormous numbers. The numbers from 2020 support this.
  Georgia won by 11k votes - has 120k Muslims Arizona won by 10k votes has 109k Muslims Wisconsin won by 20k votes - has 68k Muslims Pennsylvania won by 80k votes has 150k Muslims Michigan won by 150k votes - has 241k Muslims
- Haley isn’t getting elected. She has virtually no path towards the GOP nomination. If she did, MAGATs aren’t going to vote for her unless he was on the ballot, and then if she did put him on the ballot, she’ll lose the moderate votes.
  Trump has a chance to cause chaos by losing another general election. He could also do even more damage by winning another general election. Haley, if she somehow won the primary and general, would be so much less destructive.
  So yeah, voting for Haley in the primary is the fucking move and it’s why I didn’t vote for Biden in the SC primary.
  
  Nikki Haley's Sudden Wealth Rooted in Weapons Industry, Pro-War Advocacy Network.
  The former U.N. ambassador went from virtually no savings in 2017 to a small fortune in part from defense contracting and war advocacy ties.
  https://www.leefang.com/p/nikki-haleys-sudden-wealth-rooted
  
  She wins the primary if SCOTUS rules that Trump is an insurrectionist, and she polls well against Biden precisely because she appeals to "enlightened centrists."
  The question is not whether Trump should be barred as insurrectionist. The question is what candidate the leash holders of certain Justices want.
  
  Jesus Christ when are you gonna learn that these stupid 4d chess moves don't fucking work? You're gonna be literally supporting republicans, and when that gets a republican in office again you're probably gonna blame 3rd party voters and leftists and young people and Russia and literally everyone other than yourself for republicans winning. This shit backfires all the time, don't fuck us all over with this "big brain" bullshit again please
- Don’t be fucking stupid. Trump is an existential threat to the Republic and Biden is unpopular.
  
  I'm not sure that I said otherwise.

I think she'd win in a head to head against Biden. Unless trump, which he would, sabotages her at every chance they get.
I can pretty much guarantee that bidens folks want to run against the guy who keeps losing vs a young competent woman.
Don't confuse my thoughts with support. I don't like her, I'm just realistic.
- young competent woman.
  competent ? hmmmmm
  more than trump perhaps.
  
  Eh say what you will but she is competent
- Not sure Trump supporters would vote for a woman
- No matter how much Democratic support she gets, she'll never get the nomination. Unless Trump dies before the convention. Any support she would get would literally only be to mess with Trump's head and destabilize his base.

After living through the last few elections, I'm not going to bet on whether Biden vs Haley or Biden vs Trump will lead to a better result. But I really don't see how helping Haley would actually accomplish anything. Even if the Democrats made a big (wasted) effort to push & campaign for Haley, it's not going to be nearly enough to make her the nominee.
Absent the Supreme Court declaring Trump ineligible (don't hold your breath) It's going to be Biden vs Trump. Prepare for that. Messing with the Republican's sham primary is a waste of effort and a distraction from more constructive things Democrats could be doing like getting their voters registered and ready to go to the polls in November.
- They don’t want her to win though, they want her to convince some republicans to hate Trump enough to vote for Joe or not vote at all. Come to think of it, it is a pretty similar strategy to the one the Republicans have been running for years—use the underdog to neuter the bruiser before they even get to the big match.
  
  I can think of three people I know personally who went from Bernie to Trump in 2016. It's not a bad strategy.
  
  I don't really see that happening tho. She barely criticizes Trump as it is. Once she loses, she'll go back to publicly fellating Trump and saying what a great man he is. I'd love to see her go full Liz Cheney, but she's far too self-serving for that.

This is not "messing with Trump". Anyone in any party should participate in primaries. They decide who everyone else will get to vote for, and in some regards they are more important than the general election. For example, if someone is in a gerrymandered district, primaries are the only elections that matter for district level races.
If one party literally has only a single candidate, and thus there is no choice, don't vote in that primary. It's pointless. Vote in the other primary, for whatever candidate you like best, even if you don't like the candidate. Then there's some hope that when the general election comes, you'll at least be OK with both candidates. In the general election, vote for the one you like best, and if the candidate you like loses that election, you made a difference in the primary. Republican, Democrat, any party or no party, it's the way to give your vote the most influence.
- many states restrict primary participation to past voting record.
  Connecticut for example: Section 9-431 of the General Statutes of Connecticut stipulates that only registered members of a political party are entitled to vote in that party's primary, though a party may choose to permit unaffiliated voters to participate in its primary.[10]
  https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state
  
  In those places one would need to register for the appropriate party an appropriate amount ahead of time. What the field will look like overall is taking shape well ahead of time, and in some places ballots will have already been set before party registration deadlines arrive.

Right wingers support right wingers. Who knew?
- Who knew?

We need to help Donald Trump as a way to sow chaos in the Republican Party and guarantee ourselves a resounding victory in 2016.
---Hillary Clinton
Jesus fucking christ dems have you considered running a candidate that people want to vote for because he'll make their lives better, or did Bill Clinton convince you that you can just run as Gay Reagan every election and then either you win or your stock portfolio does?

If Trump is disqualified or drops out or drops dead - Nicky Haley would actually win against Biden right? And she's a fucking nutjob too. I mean they all are.
- If the election was held today and Trump was the republican nominee, Biden would lose. If the election was held today and Haley was the republican nominee, Biden would lose.
  It's so bizarre to me how out of touch people are with the actual state of the electorate. Joe Biden has consistently had one of the the lowest approval ratings of any president in modern history.
  For comparison, at this point in his presidency Trump, who also had historically low approval ratings, had approval ratings 5% higher than Biden does now.
  Let me say that again. Donald "Bigly" Trump, very stable genius esq., was and continues to be a more popular president than Joe Biden.
  The problem is Biden, and we're all just sleepwalking into a furnace.

Pied Piper 2.0?

Lolbruh why tf do you think I’m registered independent?

Danger. Danger.
Who am I kidding? Democrats would creme their pants to go back to openly selling our country to the highest bidder with their GOP buddies.

She's gotta be a Democratic plant. She literally talked shit abt the GOP in the first debate.
- There's a lot of shit to talk about the gop, that doesn't exactly mean a whole lot

You mean Nimarata Randhawa Haley?
- I don't get it
  
  If you don't get it, you weren't paying attention. I don't go high, I go low. Nobody ever won a war by playing by the rules.
  BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
  
  That's her real name, "Nikki" isn't actually her first name.