Bernie Sanders Calls for ‘NO MORE’ U.S. Funding For Netanyahu’s ‘Illegal, Immoral, Brutal, and Grossly Disproportionate War’ in Gaza
Bernie Sanders Calls for ‘NO MORE’ U.S. Funding For Netanyahu’s ‘Illegal, Immoral, Brutal, and Grossly Disproportionate War’ in Gaza
Sanders notably attributed the war in Gaza to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and “the right-wing Netanyahu government” — not to Israel in general.
This extremely obvious distinction seems to get completely lost in every discussion on the topic. I like Israel and they have the right to exist. I don't like far right conservative governments run by corrupt war criminals (but enough about Bush...).
Absolutely. Just like caring about the fate of innocent Palestinians doesn't mean rooting for the Hamas terrorists. Another distinction a lot of bad faith actors conveniently ignore in order to shift the narrative.
Absolutely.
There are essentially 4 groups that need to be discussed here. The governments of Palestine and Israel, and the civilians of Palestine and Israel.
The governments are both murderous monsters who feed off of each other to fuel their hatred and justify genocide.
The civilians are the Innocents being killed and displaced.
In part because there are people actively and deliberately muddying together the Netanyahu government and Israel (as well as Israel and Jews) so that any criticism of the actions of Israel or Netanyahu can be labeled "antisemitism".
Literally 1% of Israelis believe that Israel is using too much force in Gaza. The majority believes they are using too little. If Israelis had their way the genocide would be even deadlier than it is today. This is not a state or a society that should be allowed to exist in its current state. The state has to be dismantled to deprogram the fascism and genocidal ideology that it is built on and perpetuates. This is not going to happen peacefully because they refuse to let it happen peacefully, not because anyone wishes suffering on them sadistically. A system of oppression and murder that refuses to be dismantled nonviolently is going to be dismantled by force. That is the only just thing to be done and the responsibility for it lies on Israel wholly.
Has this guy ever been wrong about anything?
Best President we never had.
I mean yeah he actually wasn’t quick to denounce Israel’s genocide in Gaza. I am super happy he has come around but I think I’m the beginning he was reluctant to (not because he agreed with it, because he probably didn’t want to mess with Israeli money coming after him politically).
I doubt he gives a good fuck about AIPAC setting their sights on him, they've been sniping for years.
I can't speak for him but my bet is that he's experienced enough to wait for the dust to settle a little before forming an opinion.
Dude was raised in a Jewish family and volunteered with his wife in Israel in college.
Mad props for ever speaking out about Israel, IMO.
I don't think he's alone. The Hamas attack was a shock to many people, and Israel of course would respond but... even six weeks ago it was starting to become obvious that this was a gross overreaction.
I think he's too smart to call it a genocide though
He had to get with the scriptwriters
He's against nuclear power, and that's the only thing I've ever disagreed with him on.
The more I learn about nuclear the less it makes sense. It's a great source of energy but it's complex and expensive to maintain. Solar, wind, hydro and geothermal are simple and becoming cheaper by the day. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which we ever require more energy than those combined could provide.
There's fusion on the work, so that alleviate some energy issues without nuclear energy and fossil fuels. And fusion might even have less problems, but I don't know much about it.
Awaiting the Christian Right to call him antisemitic.
Conservative Democrats will do it first.
When haven't they done that?
Not the first time this happened.
The Christian right aren't Sanders actual enemies; that would be the Democratic party.
Military industrial complex goes BRRRRRRR while the oligarchy distracts you with yet another "most important election of your life" — forcing you to choose between fascist dystopia or neoliberal dystopia instead of ... actually improving the planet and society for future generations.
ok but, trump actually directly said he plans on being a dictator... it's really the most important election in much of american history...
Fossil fuel industry too, since there's a shitload of natural gas off the coast of Gaza.
Yeah it's hard to disagree with this. While I don't think that the US or Canada can do much to influence the situation politically, neither should they be providing support militarily.
Bro the US used their veto in the UN to prevent the demand for a ceasefire passing. Literally only USA and Israel voted against. The US is the most powerful country in the world for now, you'd be hard pressed to find an arena of politics they DONT have immense power over. Certainly they have power over the genocides their allies do.
Palestine's torpedoed all the previous attempts at peace, haven't they? Can't fault israel from considering this is just another attempt at a respite so more rockets and tunnels can be built and more foreign support can be gathered.
EDIT: I've taken a deeper look and found I don't know enough about this to have an informed opinion.
Hmm, I feel like the US are why Israel can do as it pleases. If it weren't for the US backup the chances of a new war on Israel by several of it's neighbors backed by Iran would be very plausible. I don't wish for this to happen, it would be horrible, and I understand that the US should perhaps back Israel to a certain degree. But in return they can ask a lot from Israel, and if Israel doesn't even comply with not committing terrible war crimes, then the US could threaten them with not having their backs anymore.
What I'm trying to say is: I think you underestimate the role the US can play.
1% of Israelis believe that Israel is using too much force in Gaza. The majority believes they are using too little. If Israelis had their way the genocide would be even deadlier than it is today. This is not a state or a society that should be allowed to wield power in its current state. The state has to be dismantled to deprogram the fascism and genocidal ideology that it is built on and perpetuates. This is not going to happen peacefully because they refuse to let it happen peacefully, not because anyone wishes suffering on them sadistically. A system of oppression and murder that refuses to be dismantled nonviolently is going to be dismantled by force. That is the only just thing to be done and the responsibility for it lies on Israel wholly.
Why would it be horrible for Iran to go to war with Israel? It wasn't horrible when Russia, UK and USA went to war with Germany. Same situation.
providing military support is influencing the situation politically
Stop funding terrorists, stop funding evil regimes, it's not so hard
Fucking Anti-Semite!
Edit: /s
Clear sarcasm getting blasted. C'mon lemmy.
I've never seen a post where the /s seemed less necessary. You're better than this Lemmy.
There really is no such thing as clear sarcasm in this political climate.
I'll send flowers to their next of kin
Clear sarcasm getting blasted.
Poe's law says otherwise. Plenty of goof-balls here that would make such a claim boldfaced.
Forgot to put /s and paid the price (；一_一)
I'm not sure if it's recency bias or if Lemmy manages to be even worse about obvious sarcasm detection than the snoo site.
And to think the DNC wanted to attack him for being Jewish.
Better late than never I guess
Oh, so NOW he decides he has a stance on this. Okay.
Wish he was actually someone who could win and not just a talking head with good points that will never be enacted by the government.
He can win a fair election...
It's just to get to those you have to win a primary first.
And as the DNC said in court, a primary is a private affair and they can influence as much as they want because at the end of the day the results don't matter and they can nominate anyone.
Then why is he a member of a party that does exactly that?
Because we only have 2 parties in the US that currently have any chance to make office at that stage and Democrats are more in line with his view than Republicans. Many people from both sides really shouldn't be in either party but since there are only 2 parties, everyone picks the side that most aligns with their ideas because it's easier to get support for how they think the country should operate.
Um, what party do you think Bernie is a member of? He is pretty famously an independent...
Lord knows, we heard it enough from clinton supporters during 2016 as justification for the party's partiality towards her.
He's not a Democrat
How brave to come forward with calls for no funding once the area has been cleansed. The apple didn't fall too far from the neolib tree
He has been calling for deescalation since October 8th, weirdo.
Christ. Nobody is ever good enough for some of these people, not even Bernie.
And never directly called for a ceasefire, but for 'humanitarian pause' just like Biden called for so he could rearm Zionists.
Bruh.
Genuinely lol'd :)
Old pander bear must have finally saw a revolt when the dum dum left started abandoning him.
