‘Entire family gone’: Israel kills 250 Palestinians in 24 hours

[Drops flyers with warning message saying "we will attack soon; flee, those who can!"]
[Attacks the refugee camps, oh and also hospitals]
100% assholes. 👌 Equal to or worse than the Russians, I swear to freaking God.
- I don't think I remember hearing about Russians bombing Ukrainian refugee camps (though I could have missed it).
  Seems like Putin sees civilians as an inconvenience that get in the way of his goals. For Netanyahu, it seems as though killing the civilians is the goal. I would say that the latter is objectively worse (though they are both pieces of shit).
  
  Russia intentionally bombed a ton of civilian targets with zero military value. It's weird that you don't remember this. There's even a lengthy Wikipedia article specifically about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
  
  Russia is bombing no less indiscriminately than Israel, it's just a much larger theater of war, their aiming capabilities suck and their shit gets shot down a lot before ever reaching anything.
  They do the exact same thing day in day out. Taking out a cluster of civilians is probably worth an extra ration of vodka or even worse, a promotion, at this point.
  Two wars of terror, if you want. Irony is stone cold dead at this point.
  
  Putin sees civilians as an inconvenience that get in the way of his goals. For Netanyahu, it seems as though killing the civilians is the goal
  Yes exactly, that was basically my point, that Israel is actively attacking civilians almost exclusively (it feels like to me anyway).
  
  They’re wildly different wars from a population density per square mile perspective.
  
  fr Israel is worse than Russia
- Israel casualty ratios make Russia look positively positive
- so much worse tho
- They have provided proofs about the hospitals.. and also the refugee camp is a big city. it's just called that
- Hamas should stop hiding in hospitals.
  
  Even if that was the case, the IDF have no moral high ground when attacking the hospital. That just makes their job of killing Hamas harder. Hamas is an irregular force, a terrorist organization. They don’t follow the rules of war. But IDF is a regular army and should act like one lest we see them as a terrorist organization too.
  If a dangerous criminal is found milling about in a crowd of people, even if some of of the people are sympathetic to him, the police don’t get to just mow the crowd down to get to him.
  
  This wasn't a hospital. They don't a get a pass to bomb a refugee camp today because Hamas fighters hid in a hospital last week.
  
  Is Hamas an army or a terrorist organization? Make up your damn mind
  
  Stop making sense this is lemmy

I see ads in TV that are pro Isreal now with Santa crying because of Hamas kidnapped people. I know it's what about ism but not really moral high ground here when IDF literally wipes whole familes.
- Its not what-about-ism.
  Being accused of attacking civilians and saying the enemy is attacking civilians to divert attention is what-about-ism.
  Crying that the enemy is attacking civilians while you are also attacking civilians is hypocrisy.
  Calling out your own/allied government for attacking civilians and trying to hold them accountable even if the enemy attacks civilians as well is being a good person.
- i’ve heard only about 4% of israelis support bibi now. it’s like saying all americans are (whatever) because of trump. every religion feels like “the ones” and every hard right leader is horrible and deadly.
  
  Too many of your comments come across as anti-semitic, removing. Temporary ban.
- whataboutism is perfectly valid here
- What Where are those ads Here we dont have anything similar and we would prolly wont even accept it
  
  There's a billboard in San Diego trying to convince commuters that Hamas is their problem too. Which is completely ridiculous.
- Israel is trying to justify more murder
- They literally knew this was coming and attacked Israel anyway. They knew because the response was harsh and disproportionate last time and ten times prior to that. Blood is on both sides' hands. Hamas hiding behind civilians is not helping either.
  I also understand their desire to fight oppression, but it's obvious they can't and will never be able to win war of any kind. Their fight must be done through different means.
  
  Bomb Hamas until you can see China through the crater, I really don't care. But most people living in Gaza did not choose this and are just caught in the middle.
  I imagine you would not be happy if your whole apartment building with your family inside was bombed because your neighbor assaulted an officer.
  
  I get what you're saying. And might even agree with elements. But it is easy to say it's futile to fight when you aren't in a position to need to. Doing nothing in this case means resigning not just yourself to being under their oppression, and not even just your friends and family. It is resigning your entire culture to a slow painful death by attrition. They are losing more and more land, rights, and any hope of progress. Like... if someone is strangling you, do you fight back, or just resign yourself to it? And that's before we even get into the fact that those complying and not fighting are still being killed. Those not fighting and wanting to leave were lured to slaughter. Not fighting is an illusory choice.
  
  Yes, quite a few resistance movements use the oppressor's harsh tactics against them. India and Ireland come immediately to mind.
  
  If someone invaded your home, locked you in a cage, and then started casually murdering your loved ones while calling it “mowing the lawn”, you would also be doing anything you could to make it stop.
  Yes, Hamas knew this would happen, but for most people in Gaza, choosing to die hiding or choosing to die fighting is the only choice they get in life.
  
  I agree with most of what you said but you're very much misunderstanding the point of resistance insurgencies if you think their aim is to "win" in the conventional sense, i.e. conquer and hold territory. Despite the propaganda, death and destruction, Hamas are fighting the IDF to a strategic standstill. Israel's stated aim is the complete destruction of Hamas and they are nowhere near achieving it, which alone will be win enough in Hamas' eyes and will strengthen them no doubt. One purported goal for Hamas was to inflict a situation so awful that there is no way the world could just return to normal after it, which I would argue will have happened by the time the dust blows over. They also aimed to stop Arab-Israeli diplomatic normalisation, which has been set back at least 20 years or so. Of the two belligerents, I would argue Hamas has actually been more successful in its aims.
- So it's not sad and shouldn't be fought against?
  
  it is sad. and a who city should not be levelled in response. that's just common sense.
  which is obviously why there is a concerted and expensive campaign of you tube adverts to create a counter narrative to around 10,000 kids being bombed and killed.

- I can tell you without a doubt that as long as the US backs Israel this will not happen.
  
  Yup. Two words: Vee, and toe.
  
  US backing leaves Israel invulnerable tbh
- Aw man. My original comment was removed for incivility. Apologies to the mods. Thanks for not banning me on the spot. That's appreciated.
  Gotta say it's difficult to remain civil in the face of a genocide.
  What my original comment said, without the incivility, was:
  I hope Israel and it's military end up at the international court at the Hague and go to jail for crimes against humanity and that the world finally tells Israel to back off and go back to the borders that were drawn in the 1967 UN Security Council resolution.
  
  lmao mods here ban for anything nowadays
  
  You are referring to the return of the "land for peace" idea from '67; but, Israel engaging in that peace process and returning said land (that was won by conquest during a defensive war in '48) merely resulted in the '69 war and '73 invasion. Since then, Arab leaders have completed a 180° about-face from their stated position of "no recognition, no peace, and no negotiations." By beginning to normalize with Israel, they have also begun to remove the need for a "land for peace" process, in large part because of the land Israel has already given back.
- fuck off and go back to the borders that were drawn in the 1967 UN Security Council resolution.
  Yeah I ran across this awhile ago posted by Björk, and have been wondering if it's factual. Paints a bit of a different picture of the motivations of Palestinians in general if true:
  I'd be interested to see the 2023 version.

At what point does this go from being a counter terrorist operation to a genocide?
- A long time ago.
- 🔫 Always has been
- It’s been a genocide since the Nakba. The US just refuses to call it that because we’re funding the damn thing.
- At what point is a people who've been violently relocated into an open air prison (more densely populated thank Tokyo) responding to their attackers with violence in kind terrorism ?
- about a month and half ago
- I mean the bit where they killed their own hostages because they were so horny for killing civilians made it pretty obvious if you weren't already convinced
- You don't get these numbers without a complete disregard for civilian life, the rate they are killing average Gazans is astounding, they are only barely upholding a thin veil of plausible deniability.
- Like atleast 10+ weeks ago
- Israel is going to remove Hamas

A lot of comments are saying that hamas hides behind civilians but from what I see and read hamas and civilians are a melting pot that is interwined due to the extreme oppression in gaza strip. Any palestinian civilian could understand and help or even just not condemn totally hamas due to their conditions and prolly Israel gladly label as hamas any slightly suspect palestinian top
- If you know that your enemy is hiding behind civilians and still kill the civilians, you're the bad guy.
  It's a piss poor excuse for murder.
  
  So don’t retaliate? I think the Israeli response is over the top but should they never respond if their attackers fire from within civilian areas and don’t care at all about civilians on their own side?
  
  Yes is basically what i said in the last sentence. Sometimes u just can't untie civilians and fighters, especially when you are actively radicalizing civilians daily
- Though You're mostly right, it's missing a key part: the Israeli government has actively worked to make it this way, sponsoring Hamas with money and help because they wanted this. If you have an extremist organization so intertwined in the civil population, you can just go and murder them all.
  Hamas is evil, but the Israeli government is arguably worse
  
  Thanks for the add! Now is perfect
- Hamas is literally the government of Gaza so
- if everyone is Hamas Israel can justify killing everyone
  
  thats what i see everyday

An army should go around civilians to get to their enemy, not through them.
- yes but then that won't achieve Israeli goals
  
  I was speaking about any army from any country.

That's pretty fucked up

The only world record you do not want to achieve without looking like a complete monster. And yet Israel managed to do just that.
- That is not even close to the world record. Killing 250 people in a day isn't good, obviously, but it is not even a rounding error compared to real warfare.
  Just considering conventional weapons, the firebombing of Tokyo on the night of 9–10 March, 1945 killed approximately 100,000 people.
  
  I'm just glad we didn't reach numbers this insane. But still, it should be zero.
  
  Very true, but they allegedly arent at war, and the Israelis are meant to be the good guys.

That's a big family

Wish karma acted quicker.

Only 250 Palestinians in 24 hours? ngl, that sounds like rookie numbers for Israel.
Come on guys, the Holocaust was proof that one can do better! Don't aim to just be equal to the nazis, Israel; aim to surpass them!

Rip

Citing... Wikipedia?
Wonderful.

and israel is Beautiful in usa!