This is why your phone doesn't have a matte display

I wish TCL would stop referring to it as electronic paper, it's a matte LCD with some desaturated modes for eye comfort.
for me, the major selling point of a true e-paper display is sunlight readability, if your "electronic paper" LCD cant match e-ink, then it's not good enough.
The main E-ink patents are due to expire in 2026, so we should see some rapid development after that.
- the major selling point of a true e-paper display is sunlight readability
  Yeah, the whole "It behaves like an actual paper page for all relevant purposes" is kinda important to an e-ink display.
- I recently bought a Boox Palma, which is a phone-size Android device with a real E-Ink display.
  It's not a phone (WiFi/Bluetooth only, no mobile radio), and with 4-bit greyscale it's definitely an adjustment to use with a lot of apps (it has per-app DPI & contrast controls to help), but they've done a lot of work on the refresh rate to make it feel responsive.
  It even has midrange-phone specs (SD 6xx series CPU, 6GB RAM, 4Ah battery), with full Google Play, so it's a quite usable Android device overall. Like most modern E-Ink devices, has a CCT warm-to-cool frontlight, so great for night-time use.
  Now would I want to use it as my only, everyday device (if it was a phone too)? Probably not. Could I? Almost certainly.
  Colour E-Ink is still quite limited (in contrast, and resolution), but I expect the patents on that are quite a bit newer and we won't be seeing so much movement in that area so soon.
  
  I really wanted YotaPhone to succeed. Both a normal screen and a very very battery friendly e-ink for reading etc for hours...
  
  I love my Boox Note 3. It's am older device but still gets updates lots of tweaks for tuning the display on a per app basis, runs Google apps etc. I use it mainly as a reader for books and manga but also for drawing notes and browsing the Web.
  
  Ooh, looks interesting. Though the size would be a disadvantage to me—I can imagine some situations where using an ereader is acceptable where a phone would not be, and other people won't be able to tell them apart this way.
  
  Honestly if the Palma would have cellular radio it would check all my phone need boxes.
  
  Colour eink is still very limited, but can't they make eink (semi-)transparent? Just put eink above the usual LCD/oled and enable/disable them as needed?
- For me the main selling point of epaper is that the device can write to it then turn entirely off, for potentially multiple weeks of battery on a charge.
- Nevermind that, an approach like what Sharp and the old PDAs did with transflective displays would be pretty neat too. But I suspect what'll happen is that they'll be called out for not providing "rich colours and deep blacks".
  
  OLED over transflective, do you get all the bright colors but it can go transparent and use the sunlight readable and low power screen when that makes sense
  
  Transflexive displays can work, but they arent as easy on the eyes as e-paper and they have poor contrast in direct sunlight.
- For me the biggest selling point of e-ink is for reading late at night. Since it's not backlit it's better for sleep, I think? Easier on the eyes, anyways.

What I dislike about phones these days is notches in the screen and my hands cramping up from the huge screen size combined with how slim the device is.
I just want to be able to hold my phone in one hand and control it that way like I could do with an iphone 4s, though would prefer an android phone.
- What I dislike is the constant stripping of features lately - between OEMs stripping stuff like SD card support, and box contents like ear buds and wallwarts; and Google stripping core features like the ability to cat system logs... It's getting fucking dumb.
  
  These companies learned their lesson with the open BIOS of pc's preventing them from really controlling DRM.
  Android, not having a standardized BIOS, really gives them the opportunity to provide devices they can fully control.
  If you can't unlock boot, you can't root, so you can't fully control the device.
  That's the long-term goal: get people used to devices they don't actually control.
  Lots of people already don't know the massive difference between using a full desktop app and a limited mobile app, many actually prefer the mobile because it's simpler! (I admit I do too, for certain use cases and maybe day-to-day use, but not for all use).
  And then all the people who argue against having root access on your own device. 🤦‍♂️
  There are good arguments for much of what Google does to improve Android security, it's just very frustrating to know their real agenda is to lock us out.
  Fortunately, businesses will always need MDM (Mobile Device Management), which will require root access in some fashion, and there are already Open Source/low cost/free versions of MDM out there, and plenty of smart devs always working on root, like Magisk by topjohnwu and the new KernelSU by tiann (which gets root at the kernel level!)
  
  It doesn't make sense to me to include earbuds and chargers in every box. That's wasteful, and everybody ends up of drawers full of unused shit.
  
  I like SD cards and headphone jacks, but I don't quite understand the fuss over box contents. If you need another pair of low-end earbuds at the time you're buying a new phone, just buy them. If it helps with the mental accounting, consider whether you'd buy the same phone if it cost $15 more.
  
  I totally agree with that.
- You should check out the Sony lineup. They still do phones without notches and the size is pretty comfortable for one hand usage.
  
  How's the ROM support on them?
  
  SD cards and wired headphones too if that's your thing
- Take a look at the Asus zenfone 10, I've got me eye on that when this 6t finally gives up the first
  
  At the moment asus really is the last noteworthy manufacturer of phones that can be considered as small and even there were rumours they might stop…
  Makes me glad I bought my iPhone 13 mini when I did. It’s the perfect size but sadly also the last of its kind.
- The problem with this is that everyone has different hands. Personally, large phones sit in my hand better. The phone I felt the most comfortable holding was a note 20 ultra. I have really long fingers though, so it isn't for everyone, but I really don't want to see all phones go back to being small. They do need some small varieties though.
  
  The problem I have is not so much how well they sit in my hand, but if I can reach everything on screen with one hand without having to shift the phone around or resting it somewhere. I have huge, way above average pianist hands (they make Xbox controllers look small). I can’t do it higher than ~6.5 inches, and it’s way easier under 6.2.
  
  Even then, the large phones are so flat thin, human fingers can't bend at those angles easily. Thick cases generally help with that, but if the phone were a normal size, it would be easier to hold, could have a larger battery, and not need a case.
  Also, since the manufacturers are all anti-bezel now, there's no safe place to set one's fingers without delicately holding the phone by both sides or side+back in some balancing act. Razr 5G 2020 was a neat combo, pretty thin borders, (but a notch), but the traditional old Razr bump at the bottom for nostalgia, which gave the phone a chin one could easily grab onto without fear of hitting touch buttons.
  These companies quest for a thin sheet of touchscreen as the entire device and completely discard the fact that human hands have to interact with the device.
  
  You are right. How could I forget about that.
  I do wish I could have a phone that is comfortable but not unusable like those really tiny ones.
- Honestly I love the Pixel Fold because it's so short. You can actually use it with one hand when closed without contorting.
  
  Interesting. I didn't consider a folding phone before. Maybe this is the solution I've been looking for.

Lower clarity, contrast, sharpness. That’s roughly it.
- And yet, owners of the high end Steam Decks love it because it makes the Deck more usable outside.
  
  Then again there are people who don’t buy the higher end steam decks cause they want a fully gloss screen
  
  Pfftttsshttt.. Outside. Kids these days.

Been using matte screen protectors on my phones for the last 5+ years. I'm disgusted every time I have to touch a glossy screen with all those finger tracks on it. Matte feels better and looks better in bright environments. For dimmer environments the lack in brightness won't be much of a factor either. I highly recommend it.
- Yes, same, this is the way to go! Way better than the screen itself being matte. Just get the matte screen ptotector.
- Are there matte glass protectors? I ordered one for my P8 that is just a film one. It is actually arriving today
  
  Maybe for some models? IDK I haven't seen one but I've noticed there is a much smaller selection of matte protectors in general vs glossy.
  I don't think there's any reason they can't.
  
  I've never seen one, so idk... what's good about glass? I've never understood using glass as a protection layer tbh.

I wish there was a modern phone with an e-paper display on the back. E-paper is great for books and reading the newspaper.
Unfortunately, my eReader doesn't really support modern web browsers, so it can't do news articles....
- If one of the two screens were e-ink, I would actually be interested in a two screen phone.
- Like the Hisense A6L?
  
  Yeah! Something like that. Looks like that one came out about 3-4 years ago and probably not in the US this time. But I like stuff like that :)

It does though. Installing a matte screen protector was one of the very first things I did after I got it.
Put a matte screen protector on my iPad a few years ago to cut down on the glare and that was it, everything had to be that way from then on.
Downside is you do lose some image crispness but it's so very worth it for the huge reduction in glare.
Also matte protectors aren't nearly as popular so there's a lot smaller selection to chose from.

All of that notwithstanding, I'd still prefer a matte display.
- Is have to see what it was like in person, but the fact it won't block off a bit of the screen when the screens directly facing it a light source is a big benefit.

I'd take it.
- Just buy a phone that is not shit instead and apply a matte glass screen protector.

Thanks, will do.

Great, thanks!