Texas Supreme Court temporarily blocks ruling that allowed woman emergency abortion
Texas Supreme Court temporarily blocks ruling that allowed woman emergency abortion
Anyone else remember, in the lead up to the ObamaCare vote, when the GOP used the idea of government officials (death panels) deciding who should get treatment and who should die as a fear mongering tactic?
My my my how the turns have tabled.
It's ok when multi billion dollar insurance companies do it when they decide which med they're going to pay for.
I had to go to the ER recently because my insurance decided to stop paying for the higher quality iron infusion formulation and switched to only being willing to pay for the cheapest options. Turns out the cheap, less popular options are more likely to have bad reactions.
Wish I could sue them, or at least have whoever made that decision suffer the pain that I did.
I can at least be somewhat comforted by the fact that that emergency visit cost them a lot more than the usual formulation would have. Try to save money on my health care? Fuck you, too.
Yeah, just as long as the government keeps its damned hands off my medicare!
Tables didn't turn.
That back then, as everything they say now, is pure projection of things they did or plan to do.
And then again I seriously have to ask why nobody is looking into New York Trump properties that have a pizza place or other food joint in it, because there's children being sextrafficed in its basement.
Doesn't Guilliani own a few pizza joints?
There have ALWAYS been death panels. There are death panels RIGHT NOW.
They're occupied by insurance corporations balancing the profit from your premiums and the cost of your treatment. Is it cheaper to let someone die? Can we save the life so they will continue to pay premiums? Can we deny treatment without a media circus that makes us look bad? If there IS a media circus, will they die soon enough that everybody forgets?
I would rather take corporate profit out of the equation.
Every accusation is a confession. Every single one.
Anytime someone says death panels I have a compulsive need to post this:
Frame Canada: Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might.... like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada
This explains so freaking much about how everyone is always terrified of Canadian health care when it works decently well. (Perfect? No!) But so many of their problems in accessing specialists are identical to ours. (Most common argument I hear.)
And it was just so much easier getting on antidepressants and switching up my birth control methods while I was in Canada than if I had tried the same in the US.
The truly hilarious thing is that in several states abortion bans were put on hold precisely because of medical freedom laws passed after Obamacare, which, of course, never had to be used against the fictitious government death panels.
What do you think health insurers are? Their business plan is literally "well, maybe you'll die before we agree to pay for the treatment. We can always change the agreement tomorrow anyway."
I don't remember (but should), can you give me some more info to have because this is too good of an example to not use.
Fucking insanity. Nobody but this woman and her fucking doctor should even know about this shit. Unbelievable.
I said it in another post but these are the actual Death Panels Sarah Palin 'fabricated' (since hers was a huge lie). The government is actually standing between a person who needs care and their doctor.
That was what Roe was actually about, the right to medical privacy and patient doctor sovereignty
Yup, nobody in the office except the doctor, the patient, whomever the patient trusts enough to authorize their presence, and about 20 people working at an insurance company whom the patient has never met.
For every murder the republican politicians are committing...eh...I'll leave it at that. I can't talk about the club.
I agree, but please add the father in there. Not trying to derail the conversation, but he is losing his child too and the woman he loves's life is on the line. We do need to start remembering to respect partners during these types of events.
Because it's about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what's happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it's still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.
I asked my doctor, you know, best case, how much time she thinks we would have with her. And she said, 'Could be an hour. Could be a week,' but that we needed to prepare ourselves to be placing this baby onto hospice. There's no treatment. So that was very, very hard," Cox said.
Why bring a life into the world just to suffer and die?
These laws are beyond cruel. And the authorities are actively fighting to deny justice.
"its gods will"...
Is God in the room with us right now?
How is it not god’s will that the fetus is aborted? I thought eVErYThiNG HApPeNS fOR a rEAsOn & gOd HAs a PLaN
It’s pretty goddamn arrogant to assume that this is what god wants, especially one who is ostensibly a loving god you know god’s will when god is something beyond our realm of comprehension*
*assuming god even exists
**you may now shove me in a locker for my prattling on
I often use pets as an example. We have no problem ending the life of an animal to prevent suffering. But we are unwilling to do the same with fellow humans.
GAW-Duh.
Because it's about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what's happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it's still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.
"I'm a Texan. I love Texas. I'm raising my children here. I was raised here. I've built my academic career, my professional career here. You know, I plan to stay. And so I want to be able to get access to the medical care that I need, and my daughter to have it as well," Cox said.
Yeah I don't think you are learning anything out of this. Stay in a state that does not care about you. Like a physical abusive relationship.
I don't really agree with the abusive relationship analogy. Things only change if there are people there who want it to change. While I understand and sympathise with the desire to leave, I have the utmost respect for those who choose to stay and try to make/ be the change needed.
A lot of people have stayed in abusive relationships for that reason: "They can change! I can change them." Meanwhile the state is rapidly moving backwards. This is like being dragged behind the abuser's truck and not wanting to cut the rope.
You are totally right.
These people would have shit on Rosa Parks, too.
The only solution in an abusive relationship is to leave.
But enough taxpayers leaving can have a real effect. Enough people leave, the government notices and has to ask 'why?'
This was my initial reaction as well, but now I'm not so sure. Somebody has to be the public example, and fight this broken system. This has gotten a large amount of national media exposure, and that is ultimately what mobilizes voters. She also seems willing to suffer for her convictions, which is more than most people can say.
I saw someone mention Rosa Parks, and it's the perfect example. Injustice must be fought where it is by individuals who are brave enough to put themselves in harm's way for it. I have no disdain for people who put themselves and their families ahead of a cause. I'm the same way. But the very least we can do is offer our unconditional support to these heroes.
Meh, I don't think any of this matters. The right in US is winning BIGLY and none of those examples, media exposure or voter mobilization really matters. The right in 4 years of Trump managed to ban abortion and take control of the supreme court for the next, what?, 20 years? 30? Meanwhile, Biden and Democrats just sit there doing nothing. US need urgent reforms of education, healthcare, policing, gun laws, judiciary, political parties financing and many more a none of this will happen. The only things that's actually changing is that the government gets weaker and corporations get stronger. The only thing this type of activism can achieve is taking half step back while each Republican term the entire country takes 10 big steps forward in the direction of dictatorship. Looking from outside I'm amazed at how bad thing are in US and how little people realize this.
While I get the sentiment, remember this is part of Republican’s grand plan. If they can make things so bad that liberals largely all concentrate in the likes of CA, NY, MA, IL, OR, WA, CT, RI, and VT, they can guarantee themselves permanent control of the Senate and a massive leg up on the presidency. They get to effectively gerrymander America.
They have already done this in the likes of Ohio and Florida. These former swing states are now solidly Red.
Republicans are worried about Texas, though. Republicans cannot take the White House without Texas. But an influx of people and changing demographics are pushing Texas toward purple territory. So they are doing everything to make the state hostile to liberals.
She is also trying to rally Texans to her side, and if she started saying “this state sucks” she would win less sympathy.
It wasn't too long ago that Texas actually had a Democrat governor, and California a Republican governor.
Wasn't Arnold Republican? IIRC he did a pretty reasonable job.
This reminds me of the argument that US police shoot and kill more innocent unarmed white people than they do black people. A. Shut the fuck up, you have no concept of how to normalize statistics so they are meaningfully comparable. B. Why do you seem to be ok, at all, that police officers shoot and kill enough unarmed innocent people every year to even make this point something that is worth discussing?
This was such a gimme for the “pro life” side. Even the moron that is the Ohio AG admitted that a 10 year old rape victim should be able to get an abortion (he just pretended she didn’t exist and refused to admit the vague language of the law wasn’t clear on that.) All he would have had to do is say “of course someone with an unviable pregnancy that carrying to term would jeopardize the mother’s health can get an abortion, we’re not monsters!” That would do more to stem the backlash from Dobbs than anything.
But, no. Paxton instead makes the case for us. All but the most extreme anti-abortion can see this is cruel. What a raging asshole.
Really just gives the game to the side that's for abortion with no restrictions, now they can just point to this and rub it in that any restrictions are inevitably going to be used as grounds for total restriction.
Brought to you by "we don't care if power goes out in the winter as long as we can blame the libs"
Darn. I have to boycott Gamestop? Just in time for the holidays.
I have not looked at the list, but you might want to do some additional research into the leadership of each company anyway as there is a lot of blue in the urban areas of Texas. Hence why the state senate felt the need to strip much of the authority of governance away from urban municipalities.
I just started watching the Handmaid's Take for the first time tonight. JFC, it's supposed to be fiction, not a blueprint.
More of a warning, but few people were paying attention.
The author wrote it based on actual things that have really happened (and, clearly, are continuing to happen)
Some call it inspiration
I had to stop watching that show because it was too fucking real.
Yeah, I used to be obsessed with it. Had my husband watch it with me because I thought it was so crazy good.
I couldn't bring myself to watch Season 3 because it started to be too real world. It just makes me so fucking angry now.
You misspelled Kennedy's name.
GOP won’t stop until every woman you know is dead.
Now, now, let's be reasonable. They want to get the ones you don't know, too.
The GOP wants the world to be a sausage party.
"Temporarily". Because their discussions are more important than any human being's immediate health emergency.
At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to view conservatives as subhuman. They are incapable of displaying even a tiny hint of humanity. Until there is evidence that they see others as humans, they should be offered no such respect in turn. They are simply a plague of oppression and death.
Dehumanization is how Hitler justified and sold his actions. I would recommend against that. The other side is human just the same as you, no matter how monstrous they act.
They've broken the social contract. They deserve no protection under such.
I totally agree.
Seeing people like @Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world make me glad to be independent. Tribalism is unhealthy and dangerous.
I sometimes wish they were correct about their God's existence so that I knew there was a hell they'd burn in.
Who the fuck supports the Republican approach to this case? Really what. The. Fuck.
Texas?
Fuck Texas 2024
I agree but the dems had the numbers to pass abortion into law half a dozen times since the roe v wade decision but have never done it.
What are the odds they will do it this time?
Are they even campaigning that they will?
The odds are pretty high, actually.
Back then, most people didn’t consider it an urgent issue because most people considered it settled law and didn’t really believe it would be overturned. Most people didn’t really consider that the Supreme Court would be compromised to the degree it has.
That perception has changed dramatically, and it’s proven to be a winning issue for Dems. As the next voting cycle ramps up, it will likely be a big campaign point. In order to have any chance at all, though, Dems must gain a solid majority in Congress.
When exactly was there a pro-choice majority in Congress? It wasn't all that long ago that abortion wasn't as polarizing in its partisanship, and so there were quite a lot of anti-abortion Democrats from the south, just as there were a handful of pro-choice Republicans.
If you're referring to the time when Obamacare was passed, several of those Democrat Senators were anti-abortion.
No matter who
A victory for Christianity. Every time a woman loses control over her own body or dies from an ectopic pregnancy the Christian blood god is appeased.
Her husband could say she cheated and point directly to the place in the bible where it says abortion is allowed.
Hahaha! Such a dumb dog shit people. They would probably wet themselves and ramble on about Jesus blood if he did that. When is the last time anyone heard a talk about Christian morality that wasn't something a 4 year old could have worked out or a word salad?
husband could say she cheated
But... don't people stone her then?
Ooooo... I like this one! I'm going to start referring to the women who die to this bullshit as blood sacrifices whenever I am talking to the right wing nutjobs in my life.
Can I just buy this woman a plane ticket to Ohio already?
Illinois instead. We actually have programs here to support people from out of state like this woman. In Ohio the legislature is trying to undo the will of the people.
That's over the weed legislation we passed.
Abortion is protected as a constitutional amendment, and while they threatened some nonsense, it was a completely empty threat and they knew it.
Don't do that. She'll be arrested for child endangerment and probably some trumped-up charge like mistreatment of a corpse, both for boarding the flight. We aren't safe here yet.
Another stunning example of personal freedom from The Greatest Country on Earth (Trade mark. Not to be used in comparison to any other nation)
For the love of god, just get that damn fetus out of that lady, enough bullshit already... I can't understand, for the life of me, why anyone in their right mind would still have a problem with women having access to safe abortion clinics.
in their right mind
I imagine that's part of it
Because it's about controlling women. If a women has a miscarriage or the baby is nonviable in any way the woman must have done something to cause it. So she must be punished, if not legally, than medically. Just look at what's happening to women that have miscarriages in Ohio. (a state that just enshrined the right to an abortion by popular vote but it's still controlled by the GOP.) If you live in a read state and are pregnant, leave the state asap. Your life and your babies life is in danger even if you have a pregnancy with no complications.
Oh.. Someone who knows my pain and hellscape. Would that I could escape it. My wife is pregnant right now and has some health conditions, so we have 2 major existential dreads on top of all the other normal ones. 1. That she miscarries or has other complications due to her autoimmune disease and 2. If she does, some asshole is going to arrest her for "being pregnant while ill".
It’s about none of that. Their voting base is religious. And not just pray ever now and again religious- they’re psychotic religious. Like… burn down abortion clinics religious. And, electrocute the LGBTQ into heterosexuality religious.
These “lawmakers” couldn’t care less about controlling women. For themselves or for anyone. It’s not important to them at all. The votes of a party of cowards are. And they are MANY. And these lawmaking MAGA traitors to America know this. And if they can pass laws that make cowards happy- they can guarantee to remain in power.
So it’s actually worse. They’re not doing it because that actually believe in it- they’re oppressing an entire gender based on the fact that doing so- will make them fucktons of money.
Shit like this is destroying Christianity and the republican party
Pretty sure that ship sailed a while ago. And by ship I mean spaceship. They have been destroying themselves at the speed of light for many years.
Again: The Republican party is a criminal and terrorist organization. I think I'll just start calling the police any time I meet someone who identifies as a Re-tard.
Ah, I knew it was too good to be true. Absolute insanity.
So someone explain to me how the governing body of Texas aren’t a bunch of fucking cowards.
I’d love to hear it.
Unpopular opinion: Good. I'm sorry for this woman's struggle but let these vile asshats keep digging their graves. What was the biggest issue that caused republican losses in minor elections last month? Oh right, this very one, abortion. They're doing us a favor and saving us from Trump next year.
I prefer that innocent people don't get hurt while the GOP hangs itself.
I would love to know her voting history.
