Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.
Journalism is when you leave a few dots unconnected for the reader as a fun little puzzle.
Netanyahu didn't just let the attacks happen, we also know he funded Hamas, and has wanted the attack to use as casus belli so he could do some fucked up war crimes of his own. Netanyahu is a far right extremists who has been paying some fucked up laws, like using live ammo on protestors. He's a fascist, plain and simple.
Edit: I'm gonna leave these typos in place, just let it be known I wrote this with sleep still in my eyes.
The few dots you refer to sound like the "speculation part" which I am very thankful is not included in the article. The news itself is disturbing, but your theory sounds very much like conspiracy theory. However I am open to be proved wrong, as I am not that much into israeli politics.
The "funding" was confirmed by him from a past speech. Funding is in quotes because it wasn't all direct funding, and that particular speech was about him signing off on a transfer of funds from someone else to Hamas. But the underlying motivation is still accurate because... that's what he said the reason was. He said he wanted Hamas to have more funding so they would rise in power and keep the people divided.
The rest of it is stuff that can never be proved in favor or against unless you can read minds. However, it seems more than likely if you take into account the wider history of him, his party, and the region.
On the other side of this you have years of massive protests within Israel by Israeli citizens, and ongoing criminal and corruption charges against him and his associates within Israel.
A violent war would help him, and that's not a conspiracy
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Netanyahu didn’t just let the attacks happen, we also know he funded Hamas
Can we have a source for that?
Journalism is when you leave a few dots unconnected for the reader as a fun little puzzle.
I just wanna say, no. Journalism is presenting the objective facts and letting the audience decide for themselves how to react.
It's it really that hard to believe that members of the ruling class would conspire to enact their own will and interest?
History is spotted with blood spilled by consequence of rulers doing exactly this.
That just sounds like the same thing with different wording
The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.
Then, in July, just three months before the attacks, a veteran analyst with Unit 8200, Israel’s signals intelligence agency, warned that Hamas had conducted an intense, daylong training exercise that appeared similar to what was outlined in the blueprint.
“I utterly refute that the scenario is imaginary,” the analyst wrote in the email exchanges. The Hamas training exercise, she said, fully matched “the content of Jericho Wall.”
So they did know. They even knew the plan of attack and still did nothing.
At best case, the officials in intelligence that made that call should be fired for incompetence. At worst case, for letting it happen.
Top leadership was probably looking for an excuse to enact genocide, frankly.
That's what it looks like from here.
Sad, that would make the Israeli military just as responsible for the attack as Hamas.
If they believed the document they already had cause to attack Gaza.
It ran all the way up the chain the first time. Then orders came down to move troops away and into the West Bank. How much more explicit does it need to be? At the very least Netanyahu sacrificed his own people. Even without getting into false flag conspiracies.
At worst case, for letting it happen.
I think really at worst case is causing it to happen.
You have to be more specific, fired out of what at what?
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The very day Hamas attack happened I suspected that there's no way Israel's intelligence orgs, some of the best in the world, did not know about the plan for the attack way before it happened. This whole affair stinks to the high heavens.
Even if it wasn't intentional
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he directly stated in a speech that he approved funding transfer to Hamas to help them grow in power to keep the people divided
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they moved soldiers away from the border to the west bank to help with settlements
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as this article suggests, they had a lot of warnings
Those 3 points alone should be enough to send him and his party away, and until that happens (and until Hamas is also removed from power), that region won't see peace.
We need to let the legal system do its job, and for both Likud & Hamas to be removed from power through LEGAL MEANS by the people they say they represent.
Those 3 points alone should be enough to send him and his party away, and until that happens (and until Hamas is also removed from power), that region won’t see peace.
About your Hamas part, Hamas has historically participated in ceasefire agreements in good faith. It's Israel who doesn't (hell they didn't completely follow the current agreement). Why I'm saying this is that the "and Hamas is also removed from power" part is basically Israeli propaganda, because it makes it seem like even if Israel tries to make peace with Palestinians it won't happen until Hamas is removed (likely by force), which makes things like this current war easier to swallow.
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I’m not expressing any opinion one way or the other on this instance, but I think we might want to keep in mind that with hindsight, predictive signals can always be pointed to. It says Israeli authorities heard of the plan but didn’t consider the plan plausible. How many plans do they discard as implausible? Is this something they do 5 times a day, where they were 100% correct until this day, when they were only 4/5 correct? I think it would take a lot of knowledge about intelligence work and these particular reports to really decide if a gross mistake was made or worse, there’s complicity.
I’m not excusing Israel or making claims one way or the other. But I recall this with 9/11 and other episodes too: with hindsight we can always find signals that were there but didn’t get the attention they needed. This doesn’t always signal wilfull negligence.
If this is true then they really fucked up and it bit them in the ass.
Judicial reforms = dead after Oct 7th
Approval rating = in the toilet, unlikely to win next election
It is a bad outcome for Bibi and he's never really had much interest in Gaza till now.
I think they honestly were too distracted with keeping themselves in power with their judicial reforms. They got warnings but those seemed vague compared to the threat of corruption charges they were personally facing. They fucked up.
Well at least one of Israels ministers have called Hamas an asset, so it doesn't surprise me.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.
The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.
Then, in July, just three months before the attacks, a veteran analyst with Unit 8200, Israel’s signals intelligence agency, warned that Hamas had conducted an intense, daylong training exercise that appeared similar to what was outlined in the blueprint.
The Jericho Wall document lays bare a yearslong cascade of missteps that culminated in what officials now regard as the worst Israeli intelligence failure since the surprise attack that led to the Arab-Israeli war of 1973.
It detailed rocket attacks to distract Israeli soldiers and send them hurrying into bunkers, and drones to disable the elaborate security measures along the border fence separating Israel and Gaza.
During the exercise, Hamas fighters used the same phrase from the Quran that appeared at the top of the Jericho Wall attack plan, she wrote in the email exchanges viewed by The Times.
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If Israel prevented it they couldn't play the victim card
Everyone in this thread is reminding me of all the "bush did 9/11!" Crazies
It's a pretty well recorded technique of US intelligence to push a much more extreme and clearly false narrative to undermine the distribution of the less extreme version which is more plausible and problematic.
So we see nutty theories around thermite online leading people to associate any complicity in 9/11 with unhinged theorists, conveniently overshadowing the far less extreme scenario where actionable intelligence around an attack was shelved because of the opportunities such an attack would create on the international stage.
My favorite example of the technique in action was how in the 1950s, the same year UFO sightings made the front page of Washington DC local newspapers, one of the CIA's psyops recruits who had graduated MIT in only 3 years suddenly leaves the agency to buy up a struggling national news brand called The National Enquirer. Not long after, no self-respecting news organization was running stories about UFO sightings on any page, let alone the front page.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cheney had meddled with intelligence that resulted in a major oversight - who even knows what was in all the documents he burned when leaving office. And we know for a fact they had no qualms with messing with intelligence reporting soon after with WMDs in Iraq or outing the wife of a critic.
Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Netanyahu had a hand in actively preventing proper action being taken on the warnings of an attack leading up to it. Less than 2 weeks before the attacks he was facing supreme court judicial review of his latest grasp to maintain power which was a process going until Jan 2024. And right in the middle of that he's now ended up in a war.
Orchestrating an attack is a huge (and unlikely) conspiracy. Conveniently fucking up is plausibly deniable, especially if you seed a few more extreme and unhinged associated theories to discredit anyone suggesting you intentionally screwed up.
The history of USA is full of cases were government did many fucked up shit without telling people for it to be true. They experiment with drugs, funded Taliban, and the things that Kisenger did without telling anyone.
They refused to release many information claiming National security for many things, although we damn know they can release everything and nothing would happen.
Yet, when people question 9/11 and Building 7 because it doesn't make sense, it is "conspiracy craze"
Directly or not, the US government imperial and religious motivated involvement in other countries internal affairs will keep causing tragedies and some people who are easily radicalized become a prime target for anyone to push them to cause a major incident to help shape new laws or launch new wars.
Remember that video of Israeli citizens who were spot filming the 9/11 ?
https://web.archive.org/web/20200320093153/https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
In addition, Netanyahu was the Israeli PM, lobbying for Iraqi war.
I was reading about the Saudi King Faisal who stopped exporting oil to the US as his connection to kisenger was not known to me. I found out, his nephew who murdered him, was studying in the US and had been arrested in campus with mushrooms. This is during the MKUltra program that extends to Canadian Universities as well. Was this nephew targted to help murder the Saudi King later? We don't know, but we know the US has history that this can be possible.
TLDR; suspicious countries should not complain when people question information and they shouldn't labels everything as conspiracy to dismiss information.
Yeah but IDF soldiers themselves have reported that the information they provided was completely ignored by Israel a month or so before the attack. There is public documents showing Bibi funded Hamas.
I think this one was gross negligence on purpose to find a reason to genocide Gaza.
Two cases of leaders selectively choosing not to believe credible intelligence of a threat to innocent lives when it's politically convenient to do so?
Which parts of it?
I don't think Netanyahu orchestrated it if that matters. Same idea as Bush
We should investigate when leadership benefits from a tragedy. We should investigate the decisions that allowed a tragedy to take place. That's how we prevent future tragedies
Bush really does bear a lot of responsibility for 9/11. In almost direct parallel. He shifted the FBI away from counter terror and then ignored intelligence warning of the attack. Rather than Netanyahu ignoring intelligence in order to move troops off the border.
Everyone ignored Osama, even Clinton
