I may be new here, but why is c/Europe all about Israel
I may be new here, but why is c/Europe all about Israel
These are the top comments, and there is many more. I thought this is about Europe. Is this community (sp.?) being brigaded?
I may be new here, but why is c/Europe all about Israel
These are the top comments, and there is many more. I thought this is about Europe. Is this community (sp.?) being brigaded?
The problem is that people is unable to find where to put their despair (in this case, support for Palestine) to real and concrete action. So, instead of joining Red Cross or something, they come here to fight the moderation team (i.e. calling us Nazis or assuming we support EU nations giving weapons to a state that's been accused of genocide). This is because we happened to draw a line as to "how" you should criticize Zionism.
Because there was a huge issue between feddit users and anti-Israel folks and some people are trying to initiate more conflict. Just fucking ban anything about Israel/Palestine in c/Europe!
Yes, it seems that this community is being brigaded. There are a lot of posts on other Lemmys about the feddit.org announcement and it looks like there are people coordinating posting/voting here. It's kind of obvious when on every Israel/Palestine post multiple people from other instances show up on our small german instance who never posted here and start spreading the most blatant propaganda nonsense.
So yeah, we should totally do a kind of pause for Israel related content. If not, this community will become "European politicians react to something happening in the middle east" and "Some protest is going on about the situation in the middle east in a european city". And there will be massive fights in the comments.
European countries, especially Germany and the UK are mayor supporters of Israel and the support went on as the genocidal intent was made louder and louder by the Israeli government.
The UN says that within the next days 14,000 babies will be killed by starvation through the total aid blockade and hundreds of thousands of people are on the brink of starvation.
Again European countries support this or remain inactive about it. Suggesting now to "pause content" is quite unhinged. People are being subjected to the most heinous crimes and the only thing that can achieve a change is to keep up pressure, which starts by keeping to talk about it.
Instead demanding silence is morally wrong.
As many fights there are in here. We should just refrain from posting about Israel and Palestine in c/Europe.
Again European countries support this or remain inactive about it.
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/newsroom/news/e3-gaza-2714878
It really doesn't help the case when people say stuff like "Germany supports the genocide". Not doing enough to stop it? Easy to argue. Not opposing, or even supporting? That's slander.
The account I'm responding to is a 3h old troll sock puppet. Don't feed the troll.
Its just a big current event (as in, its being reported on).
Idk, this smells like bait to me. I cant see why it shouldnt be posted about?
Ok, let me propose a theory:
In this context Hamas stages its attack and the worlds eyes switch from Iran and Ukraine to Gaza. There is no news reporting from Ukraine anymore, everybody talks about Gaza. People were voting for fucking Trump because of Bidens Israel politics. The global left is fighting itself due to Gaza while the global right is winning everywhere. And there are lots of accounts around that are simply trolling.
And that totally is the playbook someone like Putin is using. Don't be a useful idiot.
You missed a bullet point: Russian operatives right-out planning the 7th of October operation and hands-on training Hamas.
Before that Israel normalized relations with the UAE, Morroco, Bahrain and Sudan. They were working on a deal with Saudi Arabia as well. However Arab pulic opinion is obviously very anti Israel. So if you would want to sabotage that, the October attack makes sense.
However Netenyahu also needs the war as corruption charges are a huge problem for him. He also is turning Israel into a dictatorship.
The US wants to sell weapons.
Russia mostly likes chaos as it allows them to run anti Western propaganda and support Trump. However they do not need this war to do that.
How do the people being murdered by bombs and starvation and the announcements to ethnically cleanse Gaza or annihilate the population by the Israeli government fit into this?
Because you are insinuating that demanding to talk about and end the mass murder and ethnical cleansing of two million people means "being useful idiots" for Putin.
Also "Hamas started this war" is ignoring some 75 years of what happened before as well as the fact that Israel killed more than 200 Palestinians in 2023 before October. This ignores the ongoing ethnical cleansing and settlement occupation of the Westbank.
Finally Hezbollah for the longest time did not want go to full blown war with Israel, instead it only made token efforts and that front was ultimately escalated by Israel in September 2024 to distract from Gaza. If there would have been an actual coordination between Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis, they would have all struck together and Oct. 7 and things would have looked very differently.
Your theory is wrong and your suggestion that opposing crimes against humanity would make one "useful idiots" is morally deeply wrong.
Ok, let me propose a theory:
In this context the timing was perfect for everyone's domestic problems. Israel's massive protests vanished overnight. US defense spending got bipartisan support for the first time in years. Every incumbent got their foreign crisis distraction while defense contractors cashed in.
The world's eyes switched from Ukraine, domestic failures, and economic problems to picking sides in Gaza. Defense budgets exploded, energy markets destabilized profitably, and populations rallied around their governments while ignoring corruption at home.
And that totally is the playbook of disaster capitalism. Don't be a useful idiot for the war profiteers. Demand your government oppose blank-check military spending, and support peace negotiations over arms deals.
My top looks different, but these all do in fact seem to be posts about Europe. It’s a major conflict that is getting a lot of media attention and European countries have finally started losing patience with Israel’s actions.
I usually don't post stuff about Israel or the Gaza war because I don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion, but when EU diplomats gets shot at, that's news that's related to Europe imho.
And no, just because I don't have an informed opinion doesn't mean I support either side in the conflict. I do however would like the killing of civilians to stop.
I see your one of the posters in the image, I believe you're right in thinking this is related to Europe
EU diplomats gets shot at
There's a big difference between "warning shots in the air" and "getting shot at", isn't there?
Israel claims "warning shots". Israel has been lying about countless attacks. For instance having brutally massacred 15 medics including executions at short range, where all of the claims later fell apart thanks to video evidence.
However this brutal murder apparently neither moved European countries seriously, nor did it move any relevant part of Israels society to stop this kind of acts.
When you are talking about diplomats, very little.
That depends on how confident you are in their aim.
It depends on which part of the air the warning shots go into.
Not sure. English isn't my first language. I interpret it as shots in the general direction of the diplomats, not specifically aimed at. I could be wrong.
Maybe objectively but in the Israeli disinformation sphere I am not so sure.
Most posts about Israel is not about the conflict itself but how eu deals with it, which to me is a post about europe. I would also say an article about "Trump announces tarrif on xyz" would not fit here, while "Von der Leyen dislikes trumps xyz tarrif" would. But I am biased, since I think this is a big issue in European politics and I believe if the anti-genocide people stay quiet the pro-'we need a good economy' people win.
Sort by New or Scaled, it all goes away.
The Israel/Palestine conflict always attracts a lot of discussion, so if you sort by Active, that's what you get.
We'd need to look up how the "Active" algorithm works. It doesn't align like that with any other sorting method. And also not on other platforms.
To be fair, each article has "Euro" in the title, and I can't find the Berlin one. your's however shows up and makes it even more consequtive ones with Israel in the title.
And I mean it's kind of an "active" topic of discussion right now... And Europe has lots of foreign relations and discusses everything...
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
Here's the algorithm, if you are interested.
Would like to hear a mod opinion on that. We have lots of Middle East Conflict communities on Lemmy, the mods could just say that posts about Middle East should be posted there, not in this Europe-community.
E: I mean they do have something to do with Europe (Eurovision, Berlin, ...), but do we need such a mass of posts about Israel/Gaza in c/europe?
E2: Checking the latest post, it doesn't seem as much as this post indicates...
That's just Lemmy for you, a lot of communities on there get brigaded with this topic, including technology and completely unrelated ones
The account I'm responding to is a 3h old troll sock puppet. Don't feed the troll.
Israel is part of Europe, CMV
Other way around: Europe is just an Asian peninsula with delusions of grandeur.
source? genuine question...
Their source is they made it the fuck up.
In short, the admins and mods adhere to german law (since this is a german instance) which prohibits that calling for the destruction of the state of Israel and relativation of the holocaust. Comments and posts doing this get deleted and some people think that was siding with Israel in a genocide.
Edit, since someone else shared a link to a post twisting everything, here's the original statement.
https://lemmy.world/post/29777347
This post sums it up very well