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Do You Understand How Dangerous This Moment Is — How Far We've Drifted?

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Do You Understand How Dangerous This Moment Is — How Far We've Drifted? | Common Dreams

Once the government claims the right to strip anyone of due process, rights cease to be rights and become privileges, granted or revoked at the whim of those in power. That is not a constitutional democracy. That is the scaffolding of fascism.

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  • Nope. Most people are still trying to pass the blame for it. That this isn't a failure of us as a general population. This is all somehow on the Democrats for not catering to them perfectly. Or coming out to hold their hand. That we have no Duty ourselves and no responsibility. That we as a population didn't let the national parties get to where they are through complacency. That this isn't still ongoing because of complacency

    I literally had someone tell me last night that those of us solely focused on keeping a fascist out of office. Were only interested in a short-term future. Nothing long-term. Not actually fixing anything. Like in 4 years we're just all going to get a mulligan, and all the egregious shit that has happened and will happen in the next four years is just going to be magically unto itself. No fam, those rights whether or not we ever really had them are completely gone now.

    A lot of immigrants and Muslims voted for Trump instead of Harris because of all the one-sided stink raised around Biden Harris. As if there was ever a more appropriate time to both sides of things. And all these people so fond of both sidesing things couldn't do it. Even more were demotivated not to vote. And even with all that the Democrats only lost by single digit percentage. But at least so many of these people have their ideological purity to comfort them. As families are torn apart, people killed kidnapped and tortured. Until they can acknowledge that they had a hand in this. We will just keep moving down this path slowly if we're lucky.

    • My question for you is: Would fascism in 2029 have been better than fascism in 2025? Maybe fascism in 2033? I sincerely hope you don't think you were ever going to avoid fascism by voting Democrat.

      • Fascism regardless of time frame is never better. Had we saved it off there's no reason we would have had it in 2028 either. The goal isn't just staving at all. But also bull working against it. It isn't just getting a democrat in the presidency and then sitting out for years hoping the fascists don't come back. The fascists have come back every four years for a hundred years

    • No, the Democrats are too blame. You can only run as "at least we're not fascists" for so long before you wear out the response. They didn't fight fascism, they didn't push for a better world, they tried to meet fascism halfway

      They didn't jail Trump for attempting an insurrection, they didn't fix voting, they didn't listen to the voters.

      They just keep insisting everything is ok. They actively adopt the language of maga. They refuse to use any power they do have - they just make slippery slope arguments and talk down to their constituents. Things are not ok, our lives are getting worse faster than they carefully tweak things to offer half measures

      This is not the voter's fault. The Democratic party gave America an ultimatum - "take what we give you or you get fascists". They did it three times. It barely worked once

    • You realize you’re passing the blame to voters who weren’t thrilled with democrats’ slogan “everything’s fine, what are you whining about?”

      • 100%. You realize things would be significantly better than they are had Democrats won right? I don't blame people for not being excited. But the only options were open fascism or democrats. I can 100% blame people for not being motivated enough to vote against open fascism. I can 100% blame people for working super hard to demotivate people from voting for Democrats in the presidential election. So much so that they actually convinced many people to vote against their interests, and vote for the fascist.

        Now instead of working to improve things from the imperfect situation we were in before. We've solidly lost several rights and are now in a much bigger hole than ever. All it would have taken is just a percentage or two more worth of votes. Instead we keep repeating 1980. Protest voting ourselves out of relevance because someone who doesn't pass our purity test or excite us enough.

      • Yes.

        Because they allowed a felon rapist traitor to become our leader, and that scum is now crashing our economy and creating a fascist regime. Which is exactly what we said would happen if they didn't vote or voted 3rd party.

        Do you think I was THRILLED with Democrats this time around?

        No.

        But I'm not stupid enough to let that get in the way of trying to prevent what's happening now.

        These people need to grow the fuck up and make the BEST decision in the reality they live in. They didn't. And now we're suffering the consequences. And it's just the beginning.

    • You're getting downvoted but you're right.

      The two parties have WILDLY different standards. Democrats have to be flawless while Republicans get to be lawless.

      People would much rather blame Democrats than accept that the American electorate is at fault for failing an open book test. Sure, political parties have to work to prove their worth (well, some of them), but American voters also need to be responsible and inform themselves.

      "They didn't earn my vote."

      Did the felon rapist earn your vote? Did the Democrats not earn your vote by having a voting history proving they regularly vote in favor of the middle/lower classes? Do they need to get on their knees and suck your dick to earn your vote? Is impending fascism not enough to move the needle for you?

      Our political parties may be trash, but so is our electorate. Our political parties are literally a reflection of our electorate.

      • Yes people would do well to understand that we have the representatives we deserve. Not the ones we want. And there's a reason for that.

        I keep seeing all this unearned bravado and confidence. People shouting how if Democrats want to stop losing they need to start supporting them. And I'm like oh what office did you win?

    • Completely agree. There are plenty of points where you can effect change but when that final election comes you vote for the better option for that race. And if you did not do that, yeah Im pissed at you but the important thing is you learn your lesson and do the sensible thing in the future.

      • Yes unfortunately you can see all the ones desperately down voting. Trying to deny it. Even though their ideological purity won't feed The Starving Children in gaza. Won't reunite all the destroyed families. Won't bring back all the innocent young men not sold into slavery. But that we are now through our government paying to be held as slaves to someone else. Honestly I think a lot of them meant well. We all do. But we all make mistakes as well. However not all of us can acknowledge that.

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