Virginia Giuffre, Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein accuser, dies by suicide

Suicide, eh. Time to drag in the worthless shit Andrew into a Perth police station.

Wait… she fell out of a window? When was she in Russia?
- She shot herself seven times in the back and then threw herself out of a window

I could sure go for some optimism right now.

Just saying: Her car wrack story has been proven as bogus/phony. But it sounded like a cry for help/attention.
That doesn't rule out,that someone wanted her death - but neither does it rule out suicide.
And sadly victims of the unspeakable abuses she endured often suffer for the rest of their lives with mental health issues. Very bad mental health issues. And as someone who has suffered from them right where she lives I can testify that mental health care in WA sucks ass. Even if you are in a much more privileged position than she was - as a healthcare professional I had much better options than most.
Either way it's a fucking sad story. No matter how you turn it she might have never had a chance. Either to the outside forces or to her inner daemons.

So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
Conspiracy theorists live in a world where the rich and powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders and then vengefully kill their accusers, but make it look like a suicide for some reason.
Seems like the same thing with extra steps. Why do people think they would want or need to do the extra steps?
- Most conspiracy theories have at least some truth, with the rest being assumptions based on things proven true. Is Jeffery Epstein an agent of a shadowy super organization that spent decades collecting evidence of rich and powerful men abusing children to keep them under control?
  Maybe. Parts of that are undeniably true, and the rest of that also happened separately(see finders cult). You'd be a conspiracy theorist to combine the two though, especially if you were to present this information in 2003, despite both things still being true then.
  As far as your actual point; whistle blower have "committed suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head, dislocating their joints, and shoving themselves post mortem into a duffle bag in a ny apartment. (See CIA whistle blowers, NYPD whistleblowers.) Its not crazy to assume someone that took on someone powerful was killed and was made to look suicidal, that's literally something that has happened thousands of times in the last 5 decades. As to why, it's easier. It stops official investigations. Its over with and must people will assume it is true and anyone that questions it will be a crazy conspiracy theorist.
  
  I'm going to fast forward through the fact that the entirety of the above comment was full of nothing but baseless conspiracy theories pretending that they aren't conspiracy theories and that some other conspiracy theories are the actual conspiracy theories. Own it.
  I'm fast forwarding because the comment has completely missed my argument's actual point.
  So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
  My argument's position is not that governments couldn't do this in theory. My argument's position is that they have no reason to do this in practice. They don't need to make our deaths look like suicides to kill us. They can kill us.
  They can kill us and lose no support whatsoever in a fair and free election. And it's way easier than covering it up, because they can use the investigations as a talking point in their rallies without the downside of consequences because there are no consequences. The people still think it's true because they are trapped in information silos. And they all accuse everyone else of having TDS, Trump derangement syndrome. edit: typos
- Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.
  This is part of that skillset, you understand subtext? this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle. You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt. Whistleblowers are ordinary people that have somehow accessed the deep courage to speak out when you or I would look the other way or say a thing is "someone else's job". These people are heroes; how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?
  
  this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle.
  So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
  They could have this person killed and claim credit for it and still get elected. Trump publicly ordered a mob to descend on the capital and they killed cops. Now he's president again.
  Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.
  Trump isn't just being facetious when he says could get away with shooting someone in public and not lose a single supporter. He is largely correct. The bulk of his supporters are people in the MAGA cult who blindly believe in any conspiracy theory they see on facebook. They would either not believe he did it or if he did that it was justified.
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/
  So let's continue to engage in some critical thinking.
  What are the rich and powerful communicating by jumping through these extra hoops? That they can have us killed but only if they make it look like a suicide?
  how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?
  If it turns out that this person or a revelation that all the people who conspiracy theorists assert were murdered were to come to light tomorrow do you think anything would change? We know who Trump is. We know who many of these powerful people are. We keep electing them. There has been no up rising despite knowing about their connection to Epstein and other criminal activities.
  You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt.
  I'm arguing in favor of the current official narrative so if anything I'm sowing trust, but I digress. What are they gaining they don't already have by me arguing this? If a government did this they won't be able to keep it a secret for long, see the recent Signal chats, and they won't face the blow back they deserve, see the last decade of history.
  What's happened here is that reality is outpacing the conspiracy's capacity to be disconcerting and distressing. Conspiracy takes after narrative. This idea that powerful elites need to hide their crimes to maintain power is almost comforting. There's a way for good to defeat evil that elites have to respect or face consequences. Unlike in narrative where the revealing of a truth is met by public outcry and backlash, in reality the truth is met with a doubling down on candidates and deeply held beliefs no matter how awful they are.

- The other comments be like, "this lady is dumb because she killed herself and definitely just changed her mind and definitely wasn't murdered, despite expressing that she will likely be murdered."
  
  Right? If I'm ever inclined to believe that someone(s) is going to murder me, and tell my family & friends about it, and that I'm not suicidal, it's because I want people to look into it if I die. It's stunning to read all of these comments saying that maybe she was sitting on the fence, or that a half-decade is a lot of time to change your mind. Like, how fucking powerful do your enemies have to be before people are at least willing to entertain the possibility that you were killed for globally humiliating multiple multi-millionaires and their friends?
  I swear to Christ, I think it'll take a dead-man's switch tied to a private investigator and/or hitman to get things moving after a death under suspicious circumstances... "I think someone's going to kill me, if it happens, here's $30K to ensure that something's done about it. Don't accept jerkoff diffusion from impotent wankers or fools. Make sure that dolts don't say I just got sad and shot myself in the back of the head twice."
- The tweet was written in 2019.
  Since then there has been a global pandemic that affected a lot of people's mental health, and she had had become estranged from her husband and children.
  I'm not saying that there is no chance someone did this, but there was reasons why this might be a legitimate suicide.
- This is a stupid thing to write tho unless you update it regularly and verifiably. Anyone can fake it and things change, maybe someone wasnt suicidal but then became suicidal.
  In this case i wouldnt doubt it for a second if someone claimed she was murdered, but thats beside the point. If you want to make sure that you cant be "suicided" then you need people close to you that can act as witnesses to your mental well being right before you got killed.
  
  She is literally trying to avoid having the people close to her getting targeted, it's like right there in the post.
- That Tweet is six years old isn't it? I guess you can change your mind in that time.
  
  Have your plans to not commit suicide been altered 180° in the last 6 years, or are you still opposed to the idea? See how that works, it's not like picking your favourite flavour of chips or movie, is it?

She said she would never commit suicide. She was murdered.
- Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
  This part makes me wonder. If I remember at the time of it, it was a kidney injury that without dialysis would have given about 4 days to live. She recently split up with her husband after 22 years. I'll start by saying dialysis isn't fun. The emotional rollercoaster she has been on would devastate anyone.
  That being said, all of this would not have happened if she hadn't been trafficked. I maintain an opinion that traumatic crimes result in suicide, then the perpetrators are murderers.
  Regardless if she died by her own action or not, she was murdered.
  With that opinion stated. Yeah. Without a lot more information I'm sort of expecting the suicide to be self-intlicted gunshot wounds to the back of her head while her hands were tied.
  
  Interestingly in the uk it is possible to prosecute someone for manslaughter if their partner/ex kills themselves due to domestic abuse. Trafficking involves coercive control just like DA and there's an overlap between traffickers and DA in general.

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Whenever suicide is mentioned in conjunction with Epstein, the answer is it wasn’t suicide. Even so, it means there will be no justice.
- If someone is shot and paralyzed, but dies years later from complications it is ruled as a murder in connection with the shooting. If someone is horrifically abused and commits suicide, should the suspects of the abuse have some culpability in the death?
  Whether suicide or murder, her blood is on Epstein and company's hands.
  
  well said. I would add his clients too.

Don't forget that the president of the United States is caught up in all of this too.

The car wreck didn't kill her so someone was sent to finish the job.
- So let me get this straight, you think some hitman posed, as a school bus driver of all things, to assassinate her, and that failing, she's so important that someone else gets sent in to get her?
  Occam's Razor is dead.

The Kunts - Prince Andrew Is A Sweaty Nonce
As this song asks, why did Prince Andrew (or ultimately the British tax payer) pay Virginia Giuffre £12m if he didn't do anything?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-12m-court-settlement-26244075

Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
The prince, who has denied all claims against him, reached an out-of-court settlement with her in 2022. The settlement included a statement in which he expressed regret for his association with Epstein but contained no admission of liability or apology.
West Australia police said they were called to a home in the Neergabby area on Friday night, where Ms Giuffre was found unresponsive. A statement continued: "The death is being investigated by Major Crime detectives; early indication is the death is not suspicious."
Right now, I'll go with "non-consensual assisted suicide"

A high profile, vocal survivor of a human trafficking case involving the president of the United States and a UK royalty, offs herself weeks after being involved in a car crash that almost killed her. That's almost Russian Windows levels of coincidence right there.

Rest in Power. Andrew and Co are sick fucks.

Some would say she got the Princess Di treatment

This is an absolute tragedy, she deserved to live a long happy life. I wouldn't be surprised if she'd been murdered, although suicide is highly likely given what she's suffered. I hope she's at peace now

Here come the conspiracy theorists.
Could it be that being in the spotlight is exhausting and depressing? Could being a victim of sex trafficking have a huge mental toll? Could it be that her relatives actually know her mental state better than some dude sitting on a couch halfway across the world.
No, of course not, it has to be murder because that makes everything more exciting.
- This leaves out that she repeatedly expressed concern for her safety and affirmed that she was not suicidal.
  
  And suicidal people are always honest about not being suicidal, right?