SHOCK POLL: AOC a Close Second Place Behind Kamala Harris in 2028 Democratic Primary

The shock to me is that Kamala Harris is in the poll at all. What rallies is she hosting? Is she even making any media appearances? I wouldn't be surprised though if the DNC pull out the super delegates to say AOC has lost day 1 if there is even going to be a 2028 election at all.

Ok look I voted for Kamala but if a candidate fails can we please run someone one else? You don't run the same person over again because the same people who felt like she was forced down their throats are still going feel like she's being forced down their throats.
And the same bs that was used against her will be used again. But people eat yhay shit up which is why it works.
And her tactics of bring out appealing to Republicans again is probably whay she'll do again and that's going to lose more dem voters.
The corporate Dems need to go away.

Why does the Democratic party have a hard on for running failed politicians? Kamala lost, let others step up. AOC would do great in the Dem Primaries

Wait why is Harris even running again? I don't think she's that bad but I can't vote in US elections - the electorate rejected her.

Please god give us AOC in 2028. Shes the FDR 2 we need when this is all over.

Bold of them to assume there is going to be an election 2028

AOC would receive my vote.

A poll looking 3 years ahead is about as accurate as an astrological chart (and just to be clear, those are worthless).

She's an amazing candidate. I'd vote for her. I dunno about the rest of the country tho. They seem to really appreciate white men when it comes time to vote. All other issues be damned.

Tim Walz is a white dude. Democrats need to stop fucking around. We're back to a place in history where women nor people of color are winning a presidential election. It's the unfortunate truth.

I'd vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn't excited about it.

Fake news right? To call this SHOCK gotta be better not the same.

Is there even going to be another election?

Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I'm so tired.

The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.
- The fact that's she's leading in the polls is fucking crazy
  
  The worse the republicans screw up, the more the Democrats are convinced they don't need to change. I don't think Kamala is going to end up on the ticket. I think the democratic establishment is going to push Gavin Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or something dumb like that.
  
  Bruh, it's a meaningless poll. There's no election coming up. Hoping and pretending isn't going to change anything. Forget any pretense of another election.
- To be fair to Kamala, she hasn't announced that she's running in 2028. Neither has AOC for that matter. This is just some pollster polling against some names that people might have heard of.
- I know it's fucking ridiculous. She didn't get people to the polls last time against Trump... if she can't get people to vote against him she can't get people to vote at all.
- Says everything.
  A PROSECUTOR IS OUR LIBERAL SAVIOR?!?!?!?!
- Guys - go and advocate AOC on other platforms.
  Including GOP ones like wsj comments, rumble and others
  
  I’d rather Whitmer over AOC or Harris
- I read the headline and couldn't believe it

Is this wise? As an outside observer I had the impression that Harris lost in part because of systematic, subtle and overt racism and sexism. All this applies to AOC, too. Do the Democrats want to lose? Don't they have some sort of JFK look-alike, people actually want to vote? It's not as if appearance wasn't way more important in the US than things like the actual political agenda.

Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know...) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
- The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone. You're way more up to speed on the options than the average American voter. We need to put energy into getting people like AOC in front of as many disengaged and unaware people as possible. NOT complain and whine that everything isn't handed to us on a platter.
  She's in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there's nothing we can do.
  We are closer than we've ever been in my lifetime.
  
  I'm curious, do Americans even have a "Modern World" class that explains current world politics in high school?
  
  The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone.
  Yeah I read the article, that headline is almost misleading in its support for Harris if anything. AOC has the best net
  NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
  She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
  I shouldn't have to educate grown adults on shit this important they ought to desire to learn on their own. They should know who the hell AOC is JFC. So I'm still disgusted, just significantly less so. And like, I'll inevitably try to promote AOC, but I don't owe this country shit. I want to leave, I only can't thus far due to money/resources.
- The fact that Harris is considered as an option indicates your statement is correct.
  
  I jumped the gun, its still bad but AOC has the best net favorability out of them all. Harris has the most support by sheer name recognition. Its bad that people don't know who AOC is though.
- This poll is pretty pointless, as far as actually getting to know who people specifically want. The top runner this far out is pretty much always the last person to have run, because the political climate hadn't changed that much and nobody has campaigned for the next nomination yet.
  The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
  
  The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
  Embarrassing (for me)... upon actually reading the article, the headline is almost misleading. AOC has the highest net favorability of them all, and Harris is only past her due to name recognition.
  I'm baffled how there is that many people unaware of AOC though.

Defeatists ignoring the number of people attending her rallies recently.

honest question: I am out of the loop. Why the sudden hate against kamala harris? I come from a country without a two party system, so we criticize everybody all the time.

Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
- They're going to fuck us again. They thrive on failure. Weaponized ineptitude.
  
  Feels like controlled opposition. I know we need to engage with the democratic party because they're the best we got but JFC can they stop sucking corporate dick for 5 seconds.
  
  As much fun as that sounds, they won't get a chance to fuck us again. Not really anyway. Maybe a performative dance, but that'd be it.

If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn't.
- I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
  
  I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
  Obviously she's not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn't deserve pity.
  
  Exactly why she's not a leader. A leader understand that you don't have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
  
  Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you
  
  If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
  
  Drained and devastated but willing to lose again? Spray this turd down the drain of your empathy and out of a leadership roll.
  
  You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
  
  So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
  
  If she's still drained and devastated months after losing, she's not emotionally mature enough to be president. What's going to happen the first time a soldier gets killed in combat? At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
  
  They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she's upset about anything, it's that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
- Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, "make me sound inspirational" concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She's plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
- If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she's selling.
- Is she even considering running at all?
- Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
- I can't imagine thinking about "serving people" when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
  
  Nah, I'm not giving her a break. She handed the elction to Trump on a silver platter. It should have been a slam dunk election, but she chose genocide, money, and the Cheney's over winning.
  
  The Dipshit didn't even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole
- Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn't vote, you signed off on our current reality.
  But you're not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they're all conversations for a better time; done and done.
  
  Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn't want Trump, and I also didn't want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn't be here.
  But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we've ever had.
  
  Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn't vote.
- You're talking to someone who was vehemently campaigning for her during the general. She didn't fail any purity test. She failed at having a good strategy, and it was pretty obvious at the time she was making a big gamble. And I articulated this during the election, while telling all the 3rd party voters on lemmy that they were fucking morons.
  
  Nice b8 m8
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  Kamala is trash, simple as. She failed horrendously.

yeah, zero interest in supporting kamala "keep arming isreal" fucking harris again.

We're 2.5-3 years away from the primary race even starting, and 3+ years away from the convention. This poll means absolutely nothing at this point.

Screw Harris.

Stop with this shit. It's 2025. This is stupid.
Women can't be president in America. We have a shitty culture that prevents that from happening. We keep trying, we keep failing. If you want to win, find another candidate with a dick. That's a requirement in America. Not saying I like it. Just saying that's reality.

I'm shocked that Harris is in first place...
- I used to be shocked Biden was #1 in 2019. Turns out, name recognition matters more than anything else, and Harris had a historic campaign budget. (Not that it was used well, but AOC has never had that level of PR)
  
  Not so sure about that, I knew who Cortez was years before I recognized Harris and I'm not in either of their districts.
- I'm not,
  I'm genuinely skeptical that most polls are an accurate sampling of the population. Most people I know would never sit through a phone poll. Most polls reek of phishing. One of the very first phone polls said that Dewy would beat Truman in a landslide. It was completely wrong because it was predominantly rich people who had the phones to even answer the polls.
  Who has the time for polls? Who drops by the candidate booths at the state fair? It's a type for sure.
  The only poll I have been a part of all last year was a phone poll entirely about optometrists and eye appointments and how they should be handled in the healthcare system. I couldn't even finish it because the entire things was just... painful to go through.
- Current DNC leadership might push Hillary for 2028
  
  Insert I’m tired boss meme here.
  
  Not a chance. They'll go for Biden.
- It's a meaningless poll that reflects name recognition and little else.
- I'm not. Most people are very passive politically and only know what the evening nees mentions. Most of them probably don't know who AOC is (or perhaps only knows her by 'AOC' and the forms used her full name).
  Harris is their default poll vote because they recognise her name

Yeah okay pack it in boys, we're screwed lol.
Why even bother to run a primary at this point? Just let the DNC select their candidate so we can skip out on the 6 months of sham and shilling.
- Also told all yall we need progressives to split from DNC and form a fresh 3rd party bruh.
  This is a recipe to ensure Republicans fully sweep every election and progressives are ignored even more than they already are. American politics are so incredibly broken, but isolating yourself by breaking off into a party that has 0 chance of ever winning anything isn't going to fix anything.

The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
- There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She's expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while "your" party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
  I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
  
  There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC
  Don't worry. They'll sit on their asses extra hard for the next election (LOL!) and make sure that the Cthulhu/Lucifer ticket wins.
  
  The filibuster is also a tool the democratic party isn't using. No point in keeping something that only helps one side.
  
  STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS!!! ELECTIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS THAT VOTING WILL NOT SAVE US.

If only your drmocrat handlers let you vote for who you want and not for who they choose.

Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what's gonna win the votes
- "We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!"
  
  Exactly! It's just... why?
- I read it as "it's a shock that she came in second" lol
- I will vote for AOC with pride. But I'm leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
  That said, I can't think of anyone I'd be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don't know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
  
  Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There's no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don't see it as a big deal.
  Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That's what Obama promised, that's why Sanders would've won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
  
  Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn't have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I'm skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
  All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
  
  Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
  
  I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
  ...that we're talking about a progressive woman.
  
  Exactly zero people who voted for trump last election will vote for a non-white woman.
  Country is fucked.
  
  I'm a huge AOC supporter, but she should wait a 2 or 3 cycles (if there are any cycles anymore). I'd rather see her take Schumer's senate seat, and serve there for a term or two first, and succeed Bernie as the Senate's progressive leader.
- A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It's in the headline.
- Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
  *still way further left than any Republican
- AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
  
  She ran with Progressive planks, but she was a DA. She's a cop. Cops aren't progressive.
  
  Cops are not progressive, they protect the interests of the state, not it's people
  
  She ran on exactly the same thing as Biden and backtracked on everything progressive she said in previous campaigns.

Why on earth would you run kamala again? The democrats can't afford to learn anymore lessons. School is out. Time to start producing.
- Why on earth would you run kamala again?
  democrats would nominate trump if the alternative was a progressive.
- Because they still believe "put in your time and wait your turn" is how the world works
  They're never going to learn. It's time to tea party them, by 2028 we need a strong enough progressive faction to force them to cooperate or be replaced
- Why on earth would you run kamala again?
  Because you thought watching her faceplant in 2020 was hilarious and you want a repeat.
- !lemmysilver
  
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- can't afford to learn anymore lessons.
  Lol!!! They can afford the whole school!! They are laughing hand in hand with Republicans all the way to the bank!!
  "BUT THEY ARE BETTER THO!"
  
  Objectively, they are better.

Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
- Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That's not to imply she's a good choice, only that she's an obvious choice.
  
  Good point 👍
- Anecdotally, my sister does. I was baffled when she said it and had to try my best to respond politely, because she's the only other person in my family who isn't a Republican.
  From my perspective, she bombed out of 2020 despite being a media darling cast as the frontrunner, and then was just handed the nomination in 2024 without a real primary and still lost, both of which demonstrate she has terrible political instincts and isn't popular enough to win. From her perspective, the fact that she dropped out in 2020 before any votes were casts means she was never given a fair chance, and the fact that she was handed the nomination meant she didn't have enough time to make her case and the unusual circumstances are what caused her to lose, and if she just had another chance she'd nail it.
  I'm pretty sure she's an outlier though and most people are just saying Kamala because of name recognition.
  
  Your sister is pointing at every tree while missing the forest.
- I'm fine with her running in a Primary.
- Harris polls in 1st place
  Lemmy Leftists: "no one wants Harris!"
  Y'all are in a bubble.
  
  Harvard poll: 72% of Dem voters prefer more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and AOC over moderates like Harris.
  Lemmy Leftists: Yes.
  Cryophilia: Y'all are in a bubble.
  
  Harris is guaranteed to lose 2028 if she is somehow the dem nominee instead of the republican nominee. There aren't enough right wingers willing to abandon the name republican to vote for her.
  
  We'll see how your fucking bubble turns out when the time comes. Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary? Batshit.
  
  This is why Kamala Harris famously won the 2020 nomination and went on to become president, because she was polling in first place before the campaign process started.
- This bro lives in a bubble with steel plating.
  
  Nah, thats you.
  A lot more people show up to listen to people like AOC. Harris is MIA.
  Get out of your bubble

Either of them will lose to Vance in 2028

If you think in terms of "lanes" AOC is the only left wing potential candidate on there, 21% support is actually not persuasive in her odds to actually be the candidate.
I feel very good about her chances to run the Bernie playbook and end with a top 3 amount of delegates but in an actual primary the lanes would clear up as people drop out and it is hard to see her consolidating support from like, Gavin Newsome.

Why do democrats keep voting for losers?

Who the fuck is thinking about 2028?!? I'm just trying to get out of 2024 alive.
- You did it! 🎉
  
  Did we though?

You guys still think there will be free elections in 2028?
- Oh, I expect you'll get the opportunity to fill out little bubbles on a piece of paper. The way they control people is through controlling information. The only way it usually fails is if people are starving or if some bad info leaks out. Keep em fat and happy and they keep voting. And pay attention to how the government treats whistleblowers.
  In the rare case voters get mad about something and switch to vote for the other side, the elite still win. Oligarchs fund both parties.
- Yes. I do expect that. Your pansy lay down and die attitude might allow Trump to have a third term though.

Running Harris was a mistake in 2024 and it would be a mistake if it happens in 2028
- Wasn't Harris their only option since Biden took so long to drop out?
  She was the only one that could legally access campaign funds since there was no time for a primary.
  It was either going to be him or her and both options were far from ideal.
  
  Not quite, the DNC was still ahead. But democrats didn't want the optics of a last-minute open primary where the candidates rip into each other trying to get the nomination on live TV. Plus Kamala herself seemed to move quickly and wanted the nomination before anyone had a chance to get a word in.
  
  There was time for a primary, but the DNC wanted to be sure and clamp down on any possible dissent. They wanted to make it clear that they get to pick the candidates, and the voters have to deal with it.
  
  Which is a stupid argument if the presidency comes with pardon powers.

If Kamala couldn't beat Trump, and AOC is behind her... does that mean she'd win?

No deets on methodology. “Of Democrats”. How many? Where? Registered Dems? Likely voters? 2024 voters?
It matters greatly. In the primaries, Obama was invisible to pollsters that were only looking at prior Dem voters. His support came mostly from first-timers and independents.

Hillary 2028!!
- Democrats will do it if she vows to move right.
- It's Her Turn.™
- Don't even joke about that. We need fresh blood, fresh ideas, and separation from the old regime.

so people think that AOC or Harris is going to win in this very racist/sexist country we are in? Guess it will be Trump again.
- Your Obama got in, and what's more they were excited to vote for what seemed like actual charge.
  
  That's what stirred up the racists.
  
  What do you mean "your" he isn't mine in any way. He is just some guy who was president. I don't idolize politicians.
- Lol it was always going to be trump again because fair elections don't exist anymore.
- Kamala was an unpopular candidate attached to an unpopular presidency. Sure, the race and gender aspect was must definitely used to manipulate MAGA - but that doesn't matter. Whoever Biden chose as VP that would end up running for president would be demonized in one way or another by Russian, Chinese, and U.S. propaganda. They would have lost as well.
- Kamala lost because she was perfect in every way but people are simply racist. No other reason can be thought up. She was the best candidate ever and everyone loved her policies. Especially when she showed up with Liz Cheney.
  
  Well right so to my point why run her again? And AOC can't net a single independent so how the hell would that work? Its not just the race thing but even if race or gender loses you 10 - 20% of the vote you basically need to be the best candidate in history to win.
- Obama was one of our most popular presidents in my lifetime. Hillary won the popular vote.
  Yes, American clearly has racism and sexism, but I don't think those have been the problem. The problem is running terrible candidates that ignore what Americans are looking for.
  
  I think its likely both. They would have to not only be a decent candidate they would have to be spectacular to overcome inherent bias and pick up votes from independents and the other party to make up for that bias.
- If Trump's in the running again, none of our laws mean anything and there's no point having an election.
  
  Also this. I don't even know if an election could be considered real if he is running again.
- Yeah running a woman against trump… again. Third times the charm right?

What shock? AOC is the only one in that party with clear positioning
- It's why suddenly the "How DARE Sanders allegedly say that Warren might have a hard time because she's a woman" wing of the party is now like "Women can't win" as soon as a progressive woman is seizing the moment.
  
  wOmEn ArE uNeLeCtAbLe
  the party that has only tried running GOP-lite corpo women
  
  Anything a progressive says is evil and must be deplatformed. Anything a Republican thinks must be platformed and normalized.

Fucking morons never learn.
- Oh they learn, the wrong lessons.

I hope we actually get a 2028 election
- I doubt we'll even have the 2026 midterms. HitlerPig can't afford to lose his majority in either chamber, or Dems will have control of investogative committees with subpoena and arrest powers. So he'll engineer a justification for Martial Law, and suspend elections.
  He'll have to time it right, so that the courts can't properly react, so it will probably happen late next summer, likely with a series of violent attacks on demonstrations, which ought to be common and huge by next summer. He'll just encourage his J6 RedHats to instigate trouble at protests around the nation, and they'll respond since he's already pardoned and paid them (he's planning on compensating them for their trouble). Many won't miss an opportunity to get a free pass to fuck up liberal protesters.
  Once we've missed the 2026 election, it will be easier to ignore the 2028 election. Of course, the outcry will be enormous, but it's Martial Law, so he can put loudmouths in prison without due process, and there is will be no functional court system to stop him.
- Such an underrated comment fr.

LOL. still not moving? chuck schumer and nancy still doing their thing? that is not a real democracy.

Fuck Harris, we have no more time for right wing "liberals." She needs to get the fuck out of the way and progressives need to take charge

At this early stage when there isn't an obvious choice (like an incumbent or VP), this is really a measure of name recognition more than anything.
I don't know what the field is going to look like when the primaries roll around, but I highly doubt that Kamala will make it anywhere near the nomination again. She had her chance, she's extremely unlikely to get another one. The last time a Democrat got the nomination a second time after a loss was Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and he only got it because most of the other possible candidates stayed out of the race because they expected Eisenhower to win in a landslide.
- She had her chance, she’s extremely unlikely to get another one.
  She had two chances. Her first one was an abysmal failure. If she had any sense, she would've learned then and there that her own party doesn't even like her. And the only reason she got a second chance was because the DNC handed it to her on a silver platter. I get why they opted out of having another primary so late in the game, but she was the absolute worst choice they could've made.
  This poll may as well have just asked people "which of these names do you recognize?", because that's really all it tells us.
  EDIT: It just hit me that you meant she had her chance as the nominee. I'm dumb.

Great, they are clearly running the campaign for JD Vance then.
See ya in 2028 with JD as president
- Don't be silly, he'll already be president. Theres no fucking way that drippy ghoul has 3 years and 9 months left.
  
  I wake up every morning thinking it might be the best day of my decade reading that happened, but so far no luck.
  
  Biden can last much longer but I don't think he's the president anymore

I will be shocked if the Dem establishment doesn't run Newsom and do their damndest to ratfuck AOC like they did with Bernie.
Sure, there's a lot of time between now and a theoretical 2028 presidential cycle...
But I have learned to set expectations pessimistically and be surprised in the optimism direction, not the other way around.
- I will be shocked if the Dem establishment doesn’t run Newsom and do their damndest to ratfuck AOC like they did with Bernie.
  Newsom is demonstrating his willingness to sprint to the right.
- I would vote for Newsom...as President of the breakaway Republic of California

Where the fuck has Harris been this whole time? How has she remained relevant? WTF is wrong with the DNC (gestures wildly at all their dumb shit)?
- I mean, she was VP just a few months ago.
  
  And she seems to have done fucking nothing since then to help the american people. No call to the streets, no speeches at the protests, nothing.

It feels like everyone is desperate to loose, if someone came up with a contest where winning cost you a lot of money and was nothing but pain and suffering then the race would look exactly the same as it does between dema and reps.
- Wouldn't be the first time someone accused the parties of operating as Controlled Opposition.
  "How could you have picked worse candidates than this?" is a question I've been hearing since Clinton beat Bush Sr with the (unintentional) help of Ross Perot.