Jews Have Religious Right to Genocide, Says Israeli Supreme Court

Ah cool the classic "it's cool my imaginary friend said so" excuse.
- Yeah well my god Cloister can beat up your god because mine is the bestest!!!!!!
  (my god is just like yours but with a funny hat thereby making my god superior)

"Thou shall not kill." Did he fucking stutter?
- You are not familiar with Judaism. They aren't allowed to kill Jews. That's what the commandment means to them and has always meant to them. The second of the ten commandments is about loving your neighbor and to Jews that historically means other Jews and therefore the other commandments following it also only apply to other Jews.
  But to be fair, Islam has the same issue of discriminating against unbelievers. At the time of Muhammad, only Jews, Christians and Sabians were tolerated. Others had to convert or be killed.
  And to be even more fair, there are orthodox branches of Judaism that are pacifist and therefore definitely don't go out to kill. I really admire Yaakov Shapiro, who is fiercely anti-Zionist and pacifist.
  Of the three Abrahamic religions, Christianity is the only one that doesn't allow killing of any humans.
  Jesus specifically took the commandments and gave the parable of the Good Samaritan. Samaritans were the Palestinians of his time, descendents of non-exiled Israelites and Judeans. The Jews who came back from Babylon didn't recognize them as Jews and discriminated and oppressed them.
  So Jesus gave that parable to make it clear that even Samaritans were neighbours, not just Jews.
  Of course, later Christianity became the Roman religion and evolved to become the most violent of the three Abrahamic religions, but Christians have always needed to justify their wars as "just wars" in "self-defense" or "to protect the innocent" and Christian leaders are masters in lying and deceit. Even in modern times, Bush needed to lie about WMD to get support for the Iraq war.
  So I don't want to say Christians are less violent - history shows the opposite. Only that Christianity is pacifist in its original form.
  
  Nice blood libel you got there.
- Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must die. In this way you will purge the evil from Israel.
  Deuteronomy 17:12
  And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13 but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.
  2 Chronicles 15:12-13
  [T]hat certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword. You shall gather all its spoil into the midst of its open square and burn the city and all its spoil with fire, as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever. It shall not be built again. None of the devoted things shall stick to your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger and show you mercy and have compassion on you and multiply you, as he swore to your fathers, if you obey the voice of the Lord your God, keeping all his commandments that I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the Lord your God.
  Deuteronomy 13:13-19
  There are more examples. I love hypocrisy dunking, but the hypocrisy is unfortunately baked into the theology.
  More examples on the "opposite side":
  And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.
  Deuteronomy 10:19
  How long will you defend the unjust
  and show partiality to the wicked?
  Defend the weak and the fatherless;
  uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
  Rescue the weak and the needy;
  deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
  Psalm 82:2-4
  Learn to do right; seek justice.
  Defend the oppressed.
  Take up the cause of the fatherless;
  plead the case of the widow.
  Isaiah 1:17
  Overall, though, I would interpret Abrahamic religions as hostile to outsiders, non-believers, and other religions.
  
  The Abrahamic religions are and have always been internally incoherent. I didn't come here to argue that the Court got their own doctrine wrong, just to provide a citation to their foundational doctrine that illustrates the incoherence. I don't care what their invisible space monkey tells them, but if they want to kill others, they shouldn't be surprised when the others fight back. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

- Fuck off with this both sides angle. Are you trying to say a liberated Palestine would also commit genocide? Fucking hasbara. This is the real world, not some "what if." A liberated Palestine does not mean genocide of Jews, it means a liberated Palestine.
  
  This is just standard white supremacist logic. They always say if we stop doing genocide, they'll do it to us. Hasn't happened yet.
- The people who committed the Armenian genocide were secularist nationalists acting during a time of Ottoman weakness.
  This is what two Jewish sources one historical and one modern had to say about the Muslim Conquest of the Levant:
  In 638 CE the Byzantine Empire lost control of the Levant. The Arab Islamic Empire under Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem and the lands of Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestine and Egypt. As a political system, Islam created radically new conditions for Jewish economic, social, and intellectual development.[132] Caliph Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years.[133] Jewish tradition regards Caliph Omar as a benevolent ruler and the Midrash (Nistarot de-Rav Shimon bar Yoḥai) refers to him as a "friend of Israel".[133]
  Above quote is from Wikipedia, here's an article about it: https://www.academia.edu/5768249/Nistarot_Rabbi_Shimon_b_Yohai
  And next is a quote from Ben-Gurion himself:
  “The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century CE. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations the Arabs did not engage in farming…their whole interest in the new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam, and to collect taxes…the Jewish farmer, like any other farmer, was not easily torn from his soil…Despite the repression and suffering the rural population remained unchanged.” [7
  An interesting post about the indigeneity of Palestinians reviewing a book by Israeli historian Shlomo Sand https://blogs.umb.edu/joinercenter/2012/10/09/review-of-shlomo-sand-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-london-verso-2009-translated-by-yael-lotan/
  The comment I replied to is both-siding genocide. I am keeping it because it gave me a chance to share relevant historical information. Additionally, it is worth mentioning that while the Torah condones genocide (story of Amalek), the Quran doesn't. Of course there has been brutal Muslim leaders and their brutality extended to Muslim religious leaders and scholars, as is typical with any government unfortunately.
- We aren't living in history, we live in the present.
  True, nutjobs exist across all religions. However, in the present moment, only Israel has international status unlike any other reactionary groups.

I get why conservative and evangelical Christians in the West support Israel, they read the same book more or less. But I don’t get why liberals and progressives do.
- Progressive politics has been infiltrated by Zionist lobbyists from the Harry Truman days. Much more so than Republicans.
  LBJ was a democrat who accepted the USS Liberty, while Reagan was the one who actually stopped the carnage in Lebanon, calling it a Holocaust.
  Believe it or not, but Trump is actually less beholden to Israel than Biden. Trump and Republicans are actually more beholden to Saudi-Arabia, which is why MBS could quite easily get them to stop the Gaza genocide.
  As to why, it's mostly due to the Holocaust narrative and the idea that Palestine was empty and Jews needed a homeland.
  Younger progressives know better, but this propaganda was immensely effective in the past among liberals and progressives.
  Today, it's mostly money and the influence they have in the party through people like Schumer, Blinken, etc.
  Look how AIPAC recently primaried Cori Bush, Jamaal Bowman. And a few years ago they also primaried a progressive Jewish (!) congressman who was critical of the apartheid.
  
  I'm highly skeptical Trump is less beholden to Israel than Biden.
- The ones that do that don't fit into the religious aspect as well, are in it for the money. Just like most politicians, they've sold their souls for the greenbacks.
- It’s that sweet aipac money spending hundreds of millions in the last American election.
- Did you forget the afhgan, iraq war, gulf war?
- evangelical Christians in the West support Israel
  The church I grew up in in the '80s and early '90s went on about synagogues of satan and jews killing jesus, so I'm not sure that's exactly true (or, perhaps more accurately, true of the government/inhabitants vs the place).
  
  Fundies supporting Israel as a means to immanentize the eschaton doesn't imply that the same fundies aren't also antisemitic.

Religion is a mental disease
- Extremism is a mental disease.
  
  Death to extremists!

Bad Empanada is not a serious person.
- Samskara you openly hold a zionist viewpoint. Heres a quote from one of your comments:
  "Zionists know that the Jewish people need a state to protect their existence. You want the country destroyed that’s home to half the world’s Jewish people. Zionism is necessary because of people like you."
  Zionists focus on their "need" but completely discount other peoples needs or rights. And you use it as a justification for crimes. You fail Kant's simple ethic test right off the bat, which is: "what if everyone did that"
  The Palestinians and Syrians have even more of claim on the reasoning you put forth than you do-- even if we accept such clumsy justifications as legitimate, which they clearly are not. Its the logic of an angry 3 year old who hasnt learned that we need a system of sharing that we all follow, not simply that the 3 year old gets whatever they want.
  why are you using the logic of a 3 year old? Why are you entitled to such a viewpoint where others are not?
  
  People like you only tolerate Jews when they’re a persecuted minority. You can’t stand them taking their destiny into their own hands.
  I also support Palestinian rights to self determination in peaceful coexistence. I don’t support settlement of the West Bank.
- As demonstrated from this clip. To be clear it wouldn't surprise me if an Israeli judge shoehorned some weird scriptural shit into a decision, but I won't believe this psychotic clowns interpretation of it.
  He quotes a tweet and an article. Curiously the article, which would potentially be the only credible source he uses, seems to contradict most of his claims in the very next sentence to the one he highlights. Classic badempanada.