It's annoying how gamers are treating Switch 2 piracy and emulation as a foregone conclusion

Its not just the DRM, I imagine the architecture of switch2 is pretty similar to the original, with this being a spec bump and some new joycons. I'd be surprised if Yuzu wouldn't have been able to play these games inside 6 months. That's why they made moves to shut them down

In order to justify a $500 console they'll have to give it more than just Youtube and Hulu+ for entertainment apps this time around - If not they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Even then they'll have to implement Webkit just for Wifi sign in pages, so someone will eventually find a way to exploit some browser engine bug into full blown arbitrary code execution. I give it a year before PoC game cracks and basic emulation and 2 before commercial launch games are at least playable on high end systems.

$500 for a console is one thing, but $80 for games when I just use Nintendo for Pokemon games? And Pokemon has honestly lost me. I even stopped giving a shit about my online storage box with shinies from 2010.
- $500 for a console is one thing
  also $500 for a console which requires a PHD and graphs and spreadsheets to prove has a better GPU than any $600+ phone?
- TCG Pocket is fun and free if you haven't given it a shot!
  
  It does sound good, but I'm not sure I got the time in my life for the TCG. It does sound great, though.

On one hand they do seem to be taking extra DRM steps this time with the cartridges only containing a download key.
On the other hand Nintendo also tend to make really trivial mistakes that blow their consoles wide open so my money is on some remote code execution via the stupid webcam accessory.
Still not as bad as Sony and 3 generations of browser exploits in a row. Or tony hawks games
- it'll be a browser exploit. Either they'll ship a full browser as an app or an embedded one for signing into public WiFi. Either way, it'll be the first point of entry while other reverse engineering shit gets figured out. Might not give access to encryption keys or enable homebrew but these devices are always broken eventually.
  
  "the browser is a sandbox" the people exclaim as they get used for remote code execution over and over again

Yeah, it's like hubris mixed with group psychology (a lot of "we's" gettin' used) mixed with weird (over-)entitlement. Also see it be used in a semi-ableist way were people say it'll be some autistic person who cracks it (either custom firmware or emulation) and stuff and they'll just wait for them to do all the work for them. Like autistic people are their treat servants.
Online gamers are like this with Denuvo and video game DRM and piracy stuff too. As if piracy hasn't gotten harder in the past 30 years and people are torrenting less and less. People used to distribute Amiga game cracks on floppies pretty openly and now you need to get a VPN or get on private trackers sometimes . We are not winning right now. We can't even convince people to play the original Paper Mario: TTYD, a lot of people demanded it be ported to Switch before they'd replay it or try it for the first time.
- There a sense of denial from people treating this as their biggest problem this week. Spending power is about to crater with decades of economic development upended. We’re the verge of either truly reactionary or revolutionary conditions. It’s probably going to the former of course because people are still livid about consumer issues and see so much wall steet bets shit about shorting Nintendo like it even matters.
  
  Not sure if I disagree or not. Sorry if I'm seeming pedantic. I guess it's denial.
  I don't think it's purely denial but uh, what's that term for when you project a series or umbrella of things onto a single thing as like a form of psychological sublimation (don't think that's the right term either). It's like synedoche but in reverse I guess? (EDIT: scapegoating I guess?) people are refusing to refer to the entire phenomenon and instead fixating on one example pretending the rest don't exist. People can't actually pinpoint the price of a lot of commodities, they just kinda' know that they got less food in their grocery cart or they're bank account has less money. Eggs and gas prices are the only thing I can think of, maybe meat-by-the-pound and milk too. Video games, at least console games, have had pretty clearly pegged prices and seeing that happen is just more obvious to people, especially when it's going from 69USD to 70-80USD than eggs going from $3-5.550 or whatever. People also have the option to not buy a video game whereas they're more powerless about food prices so there might be more political will to complain about it, especially when it's even more obvious that the game prices don't need to go up and Nintendo can't even bother to give excuses why whereas the dairy, meet, egg lobbies have propagandists throughout society saying why prices go up sometimes.
  Edit: Might also partially be that video game prices jumping strikes into the middle-class consumer bubble more than food prices. Also kids and younger folks living at home are consciously affected by the game prices because they might spend their allowance, etc. on it while they're not usually buying groceries so there's probably more young people talking about game prices on social media than slightly older, more responsible people.
- I looked it up and apparently there has been no new crack of a Denuvo game in over a year. The strategy is to hope that it gets removed later and then cracked or that a game is on GamePass. If Denuvo's license fees were lower or other DRM catches up piracy would be limited to old games and publishers/devs that don't do DRM for internet cred
  Doesn't stop people from acting like it's 2010

I agree for the most part, getting a cracked copy of a nintendo game still benefits nintendo (piracy has always benefited large publishers). Nintendo can easily create a tug of war situation with the emulator scene where firmware updates and game DRM will be a constant fixture.
Switch 1 emulation was achieved because we got extremely lucky that the switch 1 had a hardware defect on launch day that allowed for jailbreaking. Usually jailbreaking a console is very difficult and requires a mixture of luck and extremely knowledgeable individuals willing to pour hundreds of hours and now that Nintendo has sent its copyright ninjas to copyright safe havens like Brazil I doubt that there's any motivation to start cracking a new console anytime soon.
Emulation projects are not free labor so you can crack the latest nintendo nostalgia slop.
- Here's hoping for an early defect on switch 2

IIRC the only reason a switch emulator appeared so soon after launch was because the creator of the Citra 3DS emulator decided to go for it. Now that nintendo has sent goons to the houses of all emulator devs there's not as much institutional knowledge nor will for devs to stick their neck out as there was in 2017

yeah... emulators lag behind the consoles for many years.. reversing tends to be a lot of painstaking work.. and for people who will just turn around and whine about something not working or looking perfectly

I dunno, i personally don't care about playing games the first day, haven't in a very long time. 5 or more years is actually fine, there's still a ton from their cracked consoles i haven't played. If i wait long enough and the games are good enough i figger ill get to play the games eventually and if i don't, i truly don't care. I play games on my terms or i don't play em, that's my meta
- I waited until last year to finally get a moddable switch. I'm personally fine with waiting a few years for a mod solution to appear. They want people to buy their drm box on hype and it's rarely worth it until much later, anyways.

Everything will be cracked eventually plus the last three generations of Nintendo consoles have had glaring security flaws.

Switch form factor was unique when it came out now with Steam Deck and its numerous clones do Nintendo have the same bargaining power with Switch 2? You can't play overpriced AA nintendo games on them but they are full fleged computers that make consoles look like milking contraptions.
Of course there is also the prevailing phenomenon of gamers shelling out regardless of the asking price. So logic goes out of the window.
- Nintendo’s main market is parents who want a safe console for their kids with good parental controls. It’s still the cheapest (though not really “cheap” anymore…) and they really don’t give a fuck about Steam or know what it is.
  Gamers act all incredulous that it’s not made for them - yeah no shit.
  
  I don't know about this. A higher priced system seems more aimed at enthusiasts than parents who can find cheaper ways to occupy their young (including older consoles and/or cellies and tablets). The expanded online chat options similarly aren't something that is selling systems to parents who don't have the time to vet every online stranger.
  Nintendo sells a lot of games on nostalgia, which kids don't have much of to exploit.
  I think Nintendo is still trying to sell to families, which includes millenial moms and dads who grew up on games and may have identified as "hardcore" back when they had the time
  
  A lot more parents now know what Steam is. Is almost 25 years old, and has been popular for 10+ years.
  That means 10 year old kids with 35-40 year old parents have parents that were in their teens and 20s when Steam got popular.

lol I'm not paying $90 for Mario Kart 9 when it's literally just Mario Kart 8 + voice chat + some random gimmick
- This looks like the most different Mario Kart has ever been. Not worth 90 bucks, but pretty darn different from 8 (oddly though, not as good looking)