Yale ‘Fascism Scholar’ Announces On MSNBC He’s Leaving the US for Canada Before Trump Starts ‘Pulling People’s Passports’
Yale ‘Fascism Scholar’ Announces On MSNBC He’s Leaving the US for Canada Before Trump Starts ‘Pulling People’s Passports’
Neat. I wish I could do that. I tried several years ago when I actually had some money because I saw this coming. Nobody wanted disabled people then, and less so Americans now.
People wouldn’t listen back then, when I was called hyperbolic and alarmist, and good fucking luck leaving now. People think leaving is easy – it’s not. We’re stuck in this shit show.
Can’t fix it, can’t leave. Going down with the ship. Fuck everyone who voted to kill me. I will not survive this administration. I’ll probably die within the year because, though I worked my ass off in IT since the 90s, I had to burn through my savings by being weak enough to get sick. *I already have to choose between food and medicine, so I mostly don’t eat. I’ll just stop buying medicine.
So fuck me, I deserve to die now. There’s no escape. There’s no hope.
I just want to say i live in a safe area kinda and have room if you want to survive next 4 years in a progressive state in the middle of the woods but near jobs.
For the small chance that you have german ancestors, you can claim back their citizenship if they suffered under the nazi regime
EDIT: see end of comment
If you have any traceable Italian citizenship it is possible to claim Italian citizenship. Even like great-great-great-great-grandparents. But there's a lot of asterisks involved. There are offices that specialize in this that might help (for a fee).
But if you DO qualify and get all the paperwork and get an appointment and approved, you get full citizenship immediately. Italy always considered you a citizen since birth but did not know about you.
EDIT:
Italy put a stop to this like, a few days ago. Damn. Now it's maximum grandparents. https://www.imidaily.com/europe/italy-adopts-decree-restricting-citizenship-by-descent/
Should've figured with all the anti-immigrant sentiment this would be ending soon.
wish that were true if you had Dutch ancestors. My maternal Grandfather immigrated with his parents when he was a little boy and came through Ellis Island. I've tried looking before, but from what I could, that wouldn't qualify me for Dutch citizenship, sadly. Otherwise, I'd probably jump at it.
Welsh, Scottish, Danish, exclusively. It’s funny, because one side came here in the early 1600s and was the first person to get capital punishment in this country (tried to sell the Bronck’s Farm, was hanged ‘til nearly dead, ear cut off, then banished to New Jersey), then another was Postmaster General and Secretary of the Interior – heritage is weird. And it doesn’t always pass on, no matter what these purists think.
You don’t inherit value, you create it.
e: to the downvoters:
My German ancestors came here in the 1840s. That’s too far back for me lmao.
Yeah it's really hard. Most won't qualify.
If you're a skilled researcher or tenured professor you have a better shot but it will still not be easy.
Most Americans have absolutely no clue how involved the immigration process actually is. Unless you have specific skills, have immediate family in the country you're going, or are loaded... 95 times out of 100 you're not going anywhere.
Although where there's a will there's a way. You get a tourist visa, overstay, marry a local.
I'm glad I'm a dual citizen with money stashed away in both the US and the country I was born. If shit gets too bad in the US, I can lay low elsewhere while things calm down.
Yep… and if you managed to pass the initial barriers of immigration, but have elderly parents that you’re concerned about, there’s 0 chance they’re getting into the country you were allowed into unless they’re already loaded. That’s the only way for the elderly.
Lilly I'm so sorry this is happening and as a disabled woman, I get it. We're bottom of the ladder, and nobody cares. Feel free to lean on the sisterhood in !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al we really do get it... it's not much but its all I have to offer you.
just remember that you become the most dangerous and powerful when you have nothing left to lose.
Never thought I would see a flood of Americans refugees coming to Canada to escape a tyrannical government...
I guess that's what you get when you elect a criminal with dementia as president.
Really? People have been talking about it since the Bush administration. Until now things hadn't gotten bad enough for people to actually do it in large numbers, but people saying that if the Republicans win they'd move to Canada has been repeated so often over the decades that it became a bit of a joke.
I mean.... There was that whole Vietnam draft thing in the 60s/70s...
Getting close to Handmaid's Tale every day.
Must be nice to be able to leave
scientists are usually the first target of when a dictator takes power, they often leave before shit hits the fan. then it goes to POC, and then lgbtq+, and then non-loyalists.
It kinda seems like immigrants and anti-war protesters made it to the top of the list this time.
Controlling the universities is for control of information.
The Nazis could easily burn down the Institute of Sex Research and all it contents. Today’s fascists cannot burn down the science on queer people and global warming.
Universities have smart people who can say “hey this is the way your economic policies are harming this group of people” or “being LGBT is a normal human variation” or “the American civil war was fought over slavery” or “here are characteristics that seem to be common to every incarnation of fascism, and how they all seem to be related to what’s happening now.”
The idiot arm attacks knowledge online with Alex Jones style “information warfare” - just repeating insane falsehoods over and over again. Never playing defense, always flooding the web with lies and half truths. This is also why fascists love AI so much. (How much time do people waste arguing with bots? And the amount of bots makes these ideas seem more “normal” and common then they are…)
Guy in the article isn't a scientist.
If we all go in on a boat we can invade Ireland
They can't stop us all
Seriously. I wonder why European countries aren't massively jumping on this opportunity. Like every developed country, the nations of Europe need immigrants to prop up their demographics. Most of Europe's immigrants have been coming from countries in the global South. And while such immigrants have done well for the nations of Europe, there will always be less friction in bringing in immigrants from countries of more similar culture. Fuck any racists who hate Muslims. But the cold truth is it's probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries. European countries desperately need immigration, but right wing politics is on the rise, in large part due to the frictions of immigration. Obviously American and European cultures are not the same; there are still very real cultural differences. But European vs. American culture is far closer than many other cultural pairings out there.
European countries do have some very limited ancestry-based immigration policies. But they usually only go back a generation or two. If your parent or grandparent immigrated from a European country to the US, you can get easy immigration in a lot of EU countries. But for most Americans of European descent, that immigration happened generations ago.
If the EU countries were clever right now, they could take advantage of this opportunity to bring in large numbers of disaffected Americans. They could offer relocation assistance, make it cheap and easy for educated American progressives to pack their bags and jump the pond. And in exchange they get workers in their economies they don't have to train to educate, and immigrants who would assimilate quite readily into the existing cultural milieu.
Hell, personally, I'm a typical American in that I have a hodgepodge of European ancestry. But my ancestors came over before 1900, there's nowhere in Europe I qualify for immigration based on ancestry. But if one of the countries my ancestors came from wanted to made it cheap and easy for me to return to the old country, I would jump on that.
Hell, the politics of it sell itself. Bill it politically as "bringing the European diaspora home."
The goal will be to send Americans to die in war in Greenland and other countries through drafts. They will use American citizens to fight against the allied nations of World War Two. They will send you to die against your friends. Open your fucking eyes.
It's really fucking difficult, but I'm grateful for the opportunity I have right now. For everyone's sake I really hope the biue states wake up and realize that they're not getting anything out of the Union
I'd be afraid to announce it until I'm out
love America because it doesn’t have kings
I'm not convinced a president who can act with greater impunity than a king in any modern monarchy is better.
I read that a lot, "we don't have a king, thank cod". Is it because you've seen what a hell hole e.g. the Scandinavian countries are? /s
A king in a modern monarchy is nothing more than a representative of the country. He cuts ribbons and holds encouraging speeches on New Year's. That's pretty much it.
That doesn't mean we want one
A strong Parliament/Congress and judicial system is what keeps any executive in check. We've just got the worst of both worlds.
While Fuck Trump, there is something deeply disturbing and creepy about constitutional monarchs.
You don't think that amongst their families in quiet hushed tones, they discuss and yearn for the prospect of returning to real power someday? They're basically tyrants-in-waiting. They're just quietly hanging out in the background, waiting for some crisis in democracy, some loss of confidence in the system, etc. Then, when confidence in democracy is at some historical nadir, they can sweep in and restore themselves to power and glory.
They're vultures. They're just biding their time, living the high life, pretending to be kind, benevolent, and harmless. Yet deep in their heart of hearts, they yearn for the power they know was taken from them. They know their ancestors had it. And they want it back.
You don't think it could happen? Democracy hasn't existed in European countries for all that long. There are many examples historically of royal restorations where royal houses returned to power, after periods out of power far longer than the existence of many European constitutional monarchies. The idea of a royal restoration returning the King of Norway to real power seems absurd. But by historical standards it's really not that absurd. Monarchy in Europe existed as a tradition for over a thousand years. Constitutional monarchy is just 1-2 centuries old, or less, in most European countries. Rome's Republic lasted half a millennia before it collapsed into an absolute monarchy. Don't dismiss the idea that the monarchs could return to power. I have little doubt that most of today's constitutional monarchs secretly dream and fantasize about the idea.
And that's what's so creepy about them. They may claim to truly believe in democracy. But if they really did, they would give up their crowns entirely. No one who really believes in democracy could accept a position that puts them as a monarch, someone entrusted by power from right of birth. Democracy begins with the proposition that all human beings are created equal. A monarch, however limited in power, is anathema to this. I don't care how constrained that power is. You cannot truly believe in democracy while serving as a monarch. In their hearts, every "constitutional monarch" dreams of the slim chance that they might see a royal restoration. They are vultures, simply waiting for democracy to get sick and stumble.
Truly, the French and the Soviets had the right idea on how to deal with royalty. Give up your crown or give up your head. That is how you deal with kings properly.
In December 2022, German authorities foiled a far-right coup attempt orchestrated by members of the Reichsbürger (Citizens of the Reich) movement, a group that denies the legitimacy of modern Germany and seeks to restore the German Empire. The plot involved plans to overthrow the federal government, storm the Bundestag (parliament), and install Heinrich XIII Prince Reuss, a descendant of the former German aristocracy, as the new head of state. The conspirators envisioned a monarchist government modeled on the pre-World War I German Reich
Most modern monarchies don’t act like this.
Back when the Queen was still alive, Stephen Fry described her role as being "as if Uncle Sam was a real person." Meaning, being a sort of personification of the country without actually holding any real power over it. I'm not a huge fan of the British monarchy, but if we have to have one I'm at least glad it's limited to being essentially a powerless tourist attraction.
Wouldn't say this put loud until I'm in Canada, but yeah. Leave while you can
Timothy Synder left for Canada too...
That's two less canaries in the coalmine.
Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.
I know this isn’t related to the article but I would love it as a fuck you to Trump if Canada started allowing political refugees from the states
My fear would be our MAGAts would lie tou you, claim they were never MAGA, get in, and start the same shit there.
they would have to scrub their entire social medias, they can barely work their iphones half the time.
Unfortunately they're already here :(
Just so you know, Canada’s version of the NSA actually hosted NSA staff or provided signal intelligence to US agencies so they could circumvent the “no spying on us citizens” part of many laws.
We do know how to profile people and have done it internally quite well for some time. Our blind spot is more international due to being the US lapdog. But that will change soon enough.
It'll take a lot more than words and guns
A whole lot more than riches and muscle
The hands of the many must join as one
And together we'll cross the river
Who gets to turn into the fire breathing t-rex?
I still sometimes go back and rewatch the edit for the SWTOR cutscene to that song
So good
It'd take more than pulling a passport to prevent the average citizen from illegally entering Canada and claiming refugee status
But I understand the concerns, especially with this steadfast bullshit about Canada being the 51st state.
Shits fucked, yo.
I guess he wants to get a job there, find an apartment and then fly his family on an airplane instead sneaking in through the forest at night hoping he can spend couple months in a refugee camp whiles his application is being processed.
When you claim refugee status like this, what happens to any assets you have in US banks? Do those get blocked? Any property you own in the US, what happens to that?
I don't think you can claim refugee status in Canada if you are an American citizen.
I knew an Albertan who went to Texas and claimed political refugee status after the trucker rally. Eventually they came back.
I have a feeling Americans fleeing the consequences of their disaster politics may not receive the warmest welcome in Canada. There's a lot of animosity and a lot of it is warranted.
Are you Canadian? I have some Canadian friends and their vibe is mostly pity and offering to help if needed. I hope Canadians aren't upset at Americans as a whole, and I generally don't get that vibe. Obviously I only know Canadians that know me, so they're predisposed to being nice to me lol.
I’m not sure that’s relevant. Nobody chooses to become a refugee, it is a final act of desperation.
Don't disagree. But the majority of Americans didn't vote for this. Our system is just out-dated and has been slowly rigged over decades to benefit the few over the many. MOST Americans have never wanted Trump to be President. Many have spent years trying to get others to understand the consequences of his first election, and what is now his second term.
But the voices of the many, are easily drowned out by the voices of the few who enough resources to purchase all our social spaces (Twitter / Facebook) and fill it with bad actors posing as other Americans who spout oligarch rhetoric.
But our oligarchy have only radicalized a minority of us, not the majority.
So while I understand your frustration with Americans, at least 1/3 of them have been fighting against this shit for a long time, and another 1/3 have done nothing. (Which is a different conversation
The point is - this bullshit is now bleeding into Canada and the rest of the world. So the Americans who have lost their country to it might have the best information to share about preventing it.
"Divide and Conquer" is the name of the game, and now that the US is Divided between right and left, billions of dollars of disinfo is now getting aimed your way instead.
With "Canada hates Americans" being the headline Trump wants to see in order to invade you. This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you, and why anti-Canadian rhetoric is being pushed to us.
We've only been allies until now, and the majority of Americans want Canada to be safe from what just happened to us.
If the people fleeing are nazis or sat around like idiots instead of voting the right way, then sure.
If a good American goes to Canada and gets treated like a nazi just because he's American, then that American has simply found one of the shitty Canadians to avoid. One less thing to think about.
Come to the Netherlands: https://dutchreview.com/expat/30-percent-ruling-netherlands/
Is there a path to an eu passport? Is there an age restriction?
There is no "EU" passport, only passports of countries in the EU. I'm pretty sure you have to be 18 to attempt to immigrate (although that doesn't stop many teenagers from going for it by working under the table until they can get a legit job to sponsor them, and pls do not think I'm encouraging that!)
If you're hot and willing to pay, I'll marry you.
I'd love to but I honestly have no idea where to start. That 30 percent ruling is interesting.
Can someone share the text for those of us who don't have 30 minutes to disable cookies on a broken UI
There are tons of articles in English about the 30% ruling just search for it. There are two official government sites, again in English, but they are kind of dry.
!lemmysilver
I'm a US American who has been considering expatriating, but its too expensive.
Can someone tell me if my passport gets pulled, do I not have to pay the expatriation tax on my net worth?
I'm positive they will tax you all the same
Please don't give him ideas.
Wait
What happens if they try to pull my passport but I don't have one
You get put in holding indefinitely? Or go to El Salvador.
That's dumb. If there's ever a Hitler-level problem a reasonably fit guy like him can just cross through the woods into canada in several places. Stay and fight. Elon's defeat in Wisconsin today shows that as lame as it sounds, voting does work. If you actually do it.
what do you mean "if there's ever"? People are being blackbagged off the street in broad daylight by secret police and sent to torture prisons...
Yeah but that's not going to entrench Trump's power since those people can't vote. I'm talking about stuff like Jan 6, but successful. Cancelling elections, arresting opposition candidates, etc. Everything they're doing now will come to an end after the next election.
This is foolish. People need to stay and fight, or go into hiding. A cushy, public position at a university in Canada won’t protect you if things go that far. Canada has little to no bargaining power against the US.
If they want you, they’ll get you one way or another.
only a fool would stay and fight, and get killed. did you even read any history books, germany before ww2 began, all the scientist fled, and then RUSSIA from cold war til now.
Then go hide if that’s what you think. My point is Canada is not much safer than the US.
It is incredibly unlikely that the republicans pull passports. They are very much dependent on people to be placated and insist "it is just temporary and I am going to live my life". Passports are owned/used by predominantly upper middle class families who are the most likely to try to ignore the republicans while bitching and moaning that somebody is being rude and protesting in front of a Starbucks. Take away their passports and now this impacts them rather than just "trump, biden, whatever. Groceries are still expensive and I am just going to live my life and go on vacation to Italy this year".
Historically? Yes, fascist regimes do that. That is also incredibly ineffective. We are more likely to see the China/Russia model where political crimes become increasingly prevalent (see: attacking a tesla is terrorism). The other reason to pull passports is for draft purposes. And the US Military, for as massive as it is, is not one that can be run by drafted soldiers. But republicans are also fucking idiots so... we'll see.
So... if you can get out, get the hell out.
Don't need to pull passports when ICE can just pretend anyone they pick up doesn't have one.
And dispose of it if someone actually is carrying it.
They already did pull the passports of transgender people. Clearly you’re not paying attention.
I was going to say the same thing. They started this back in January. Both taking the passports of people with an X gender identification on their passports as well as confiscating the legal documents of trans people attempting to renew their passports (birth certificates, social security cards, driver's licenses, etc.).
Naturalized citizens and trans people are definitely at the point of concern about passports being revoked
"it's never going to happen" until it happens
How many "it's incredibly unlikely the republicans do this" are we past now? Because it sure as hell is a ton
The "why" is important to understand.
"It won't happen because it is illegal" or "it won't happen because the military will save us" is patently stupid and an indicator that people aren't paying attention.
"It probably won't happen because it undermines their goals and the countries trump et al worships don't do it" is actually assessing where their control comes from.
The danger with assuming everything bad will happen because it is bad is that you just give people "lines" that are easily avoided. Or quick ways to say "Oh, it isn't THAT bad. They aren't ACTUALLY setting babies on fire"
Don’t forget to show you Covid vaccine card before you enter Canada
you wouldn’t know what freedom was if it slapped you in the face.
Hurr Durr don’t forget to show your driver’s license and insurance when you get pulled over. 🤡
Pathetic, maybe go join the fascists in the USA.
Good.