Era of close ties with US 'is over': Canada PM Carney

It's hard to wonder why...
- He really does think the EU is a country. I'm not sure my opinion of Americans will ever recover from them having voted in this absolute moron.
  
  America was killed, by Americans, in a democratic election. And so many are still fondling the corpse, writhing with carrion bugs, and pretending it's still alive.
  
  Oh...
  I can guaran-fucking-tee you my opinion of so-called "Americans" will never recover...
  I'm more concerned if the country is ever able to recover.
  FUCK!! IT'S ONLY BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS!!
  Much worse is yet to be realized.
  And, yes, I'm a suitably embarrassed US'ian.
  🙄 🤦‍♀️
  
  Twice. They did it twice.
  You can almost (but not quite) forgive the first time. You could -maybe- write it off as an experiment, or that they were giving the 'real politicians' a scare to get them back in line. However that's a lot of 'almost' and 'maybe'.
  But the second time, that's fucking unforgivable.
  
  Lol I wish we were a country. Orange man dreaming big ;)
  
  ~32% of Americans voted for Trump. ~31% for Kamala, and the remaining ~37% voted third party or not at all.
  Republicans are taking these actions, not Americans. And Democrats should have captured more of the 67% instead of going after the ~32%.
  That being said, Americans are dumbbbb
  Edit: 37% didn't vote, not 67%. Thanks Lemming
  
  As an American, same.
  
  Well, I as (a well educated) European was quite surprised by the fact USA is a state... So... We're even?
  
  The EU sort of is like a country in a sense though
- What the fuck do tariffs do other than make shit more expensive for US residents?
  
  He thinks our economy is strong enough to stand on its own and that's absolutely ridiculous.
  
  America is the largest consumer state on planet earth. A huge amount of foreign economies rely heavily on export to the United States and tariffs can do a LOT of damage. Trump knows these tariffs are a huge bargaining chip, but it’s the type of chip you can only use to this degree once. And he’s cashing it in for… his own political clout. The natural response to this that we’re already seeing the beginning of, is countries restructuring their industry to be less reliant on the U.S. which will ultimately do far more damage to the U.S. than the U.S. can do to other countries. And once they’ve all done that, there won’t be a good reason to ramp that trade up again.
  As an American this is going to suck a lot for us, but right now everything Trump is doing sucks for us. The shame of it is that no matter how bad it gets, I can’t realistically be mad at Canada, Mexico, or all of Europe over it. What other option have they been given?
  
  Products get expensive, US consumers don't buy as many products, countries which export those products see reduction in exports and thus taxes.
  Theoretically.
  
  From the same supporters who will shoot themselves in the foot to own the libs, this is at a much larger level.
  Also, a classic facist move. Get everyone to turn on you, then propagate "the world is out to get us", and once you instill that mentality on the people, it's easier for people to believe we're the victims, and we're fighting for our liberation.
  
  Theoretically, they encourage Americans to buy American-made alternatives to tariffed goods. In some case that will work, but the tariffs need to be targeted for that to happen. For example, putting a tariff on fishing rods might make people buy locally-made fishing rods rather than imported ones (this is an example of a retaliatory tariff Canada placed on the US btw).
  This doesn't work when the tariffs are on things that aren't made locally. If you put a tariff on things that aren't made locally you just make things more expensive. If the government is sane and stable, businesses might invest in a factory to produce something that isn't made locally to take advantage of the tariffs, but that kind of thing takes time. And if you think the government might change its tariff plans before you can finish your factory, it's not worth the investment.
- "Don't make me hit you harder."
  Abusive relationships are the only kind Trump knows how to have.
  
  He's a socially stunted bully (wait is that repeating myself?, not sure up to a certain age anyways) so yes, I think one of most satisfying wishes to make these days would be to give Trump self awareness and empathy.
  Quick edit, like in the 90s Bedazzled movie with Hurley and Fraser where he asks to be sensitive.
- With friends like these…
  Like seriously, you can’t make this stuff up, folks! The schoolyard bully who beats you up after class and continues to insist that he’s your best friend! Not only that, he tells all the teachers that actually he’s the victim and you’re the bully!
  How many of you out there knew someone like that? Made you count down the days until you were outta there for good so you’d never have to see his face again! I wish we (Canadians) could get the hell out of this toxic high school we’ve suddenly found ourselves in…
- "Im beating you because i love you, besides you made me do it."
- With friends like him who needs enemas
- Potash. They could stop selling us potash and the entire breadbasket of the US would collapse.
  
  It is not risking 30% of anything. 3% maybe.
- Friends don't let friends support fascism.

I am reminded of Winston Churchill saying that Americans will do the right thing after they have exhausted all other options.
I just didn’t quite realize how far “all other options“ could really go.
- I think we've proven ol' Churchill wrong this time.
  
  No, we've just really gotten good at finding other wrong options.

And the thing i don’t think Americans have accepted yet… there’s no going back. They can vote the democrats back in next year. But we - their traditional allies will never be there for them again.
America will forever be isolated as untrustworthy.
- They need a constitutional reform, limiting the power of the president to do shit like this unilaterally
  Along with abolishing the electoral college and gerrymandering
  
  We're supposed to have a new constitution every generation.
  “There is no greater tyranny than that of the dead over the living.”
  — Thomas Paine
  
  The so called president doesn't care about the constitution, judges or laws. He gets away with it.
- Even the MAGA crowd are aware of this, they just think it's a good thing. The only thing americans can all agree on is that we have some serious housecleaning to do.
  
  I don't think that's true. I think the MAGAs have lived in such a comfortable bubble of American privilege that they don't understand the implications of all this. They're used to making jokes about Canada, "basically being the U.S.," and having free and easy travel on the border that they don't think about the fact that it's a sovereign nation with it's own culture and interests. I think they see this as politicians arguing, not America becoming a hostile foreign power.
  Even the administration doesn't seem to get this. They just had to cancel a, "cultural," visit from the Second Lady to Greenland because both the government and public told them they were unwelcome. Apparently, they're so steeped in American privilege (and probably used to people dismissing Trump ramblings as, "bluster," or, "hot air,") that it didn't occur to them that you can't just make a fun, friendly visit to a country the President threatened to invade.
- If a proper revolution happens US will be taken back for sure. The problem is that Americans are way too comfortable for any major change and have been for a long time.
  
  They’re in for a lot of discomfort though. Like generations of it.
  
  It's not only being comfortable. Arguably western democracies are even more comfortable with healthcare, job security and more social climbing.
  Is the mix of hyper individualism, zero civic culture, and crab bucket job economy.
  
  I've been seeing "comfortable" a lot, but I think honestly it's less comfort and more confusion. I know it's popular to portray us all as lazy, drinking our Big Gulp slushies and watching sportsball, but that's not the whole picture.
  We all know it sucks, we might call our reps, our friends might go wave some signs...but ultimately we're culturally unaccustomed to organization, and that part cripples meaningful resistance. As the commenter below me stated, "lack of civic culture" and "hyper individualism" nails it.
  Okay, we all want different things, we all struggle at wildly different randomized shifts because most of us are one missed paycheck away from disaster, how do we know who our friends are? No no, not the "Yeah man, that sucks lol idk." friends, the ones who will actually fight with you?
  Consequently, we're suffering a massive lonliness epidemic where a lot of people not only have very little civic ties, they don't even have a network of reliable companionship! A lot of this is simply thanks to suburban dominance and nowhere left to meet that's not charging admission.
- This is one of the weirdest things anti-maga types have begun spewing.
  Germany started two world wars and they have not been 'forever isolated as untrustworthy'. I can assure you, the world is laughing at the US and Trump and a lot of countries and groups are angry.
  If you stuck a half decent person in the chair and apologised, retracted tarrifs etc, I'm sure it'd all blow over in a few years.
  Now your internet racially motivated Civil war? Yeah I don't think you'll get out of that one
  
  It took Germany decades and at least couple of generations to shake off the lable, and in a lot of cases they still do. Obviously it's not forever, but decades might as well be forever if you're trying to open an international business or whatever
  
  Yeah, you're probably right. But a lot of trust will still be gone, it's hard to make serious commitments with a country that has a history of ripping them up.
  
  If something takes more than 4 years it gets lumped into "never" territory because no political party wants the next party to get credit for their work.
  Guarantee it took Germany more than 4 years to recover their reputation (and even then, not enough to do well in Eurovision).
  
  The problem other country have is they are owed and they owe other countries USD. Its been the reserve currency since before the US stole Europe's gold, its the currency of our global financial system.
- Three times they were given the choice, twice he won and the other time he still had a sizable base of support - even after fucking covid up.
  From now on you just have to be ready for anti-democracy, pro-imperialist, incompetency to take control of the US. They might not even allow a democrat to ever take over the executive branch ever again.

A) Canada isn’t a viable country because they depend on us
B) Hey no stop you have to depend on us still…
- Canada and the EU should definitely bait trump into escalating tariffs as quickly as possible, and reach agreements to increase trade between themselves.
  If trump continues to escalate and retaliate, Mexico and even China need to be included in the agreement.
  This will have huge consequences for America, effectively excluding it from worldwide trade, while diluting the impact for the remaining nations.
  America has a huge production capacity though, and that's why escalation needs to happen quickly, not giving it time to ramp up subsidized domestic production.
  
  The US could crack fusion and the world wouldn’t buy it from them at this point. They can ramp production, but everything they produce now is pretty must limited to domestic sales. If it does get exported, the world now has all kinds of reasons to negotiate the lowest fucking prices sustainable, if that.

You would be a fool to be close with America right now. The Nazi take over is in full swing.
- "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"...unless your enemy is the fascist US government. Stay far, far away from them!

... and it wasn't our fault either. They literally betrayed us. We helped them with the forest fires and they stabbed us in the back. The fact that there aren't widespread revolts and mass demonstrations and labour strikes going on in that country right now tells us a lot about the people there and their values.
- It's pretty wild that the median income before tax in the USA is less than the median income in Denmark after tax (based solely on income tax). Just to put things into perspective.
  With that said, it will only get worse for the American people if they don't get rid of this administatrion, and everything that has made it possible for this administration to do as it does. You think it's hard to make ends meet now? What about when you don't have any tradepartners anymore? Or when all your worker rights are stripped away?
  
  While I can’t fault your feelings, a lot of us are unable to do much without going homeless/hungry.
  So you are waiting for your personal turn on the DOGE chopping block?... bit of advice, by the time they come for YOU specifically, it will be too late
- I don't like this rhetoric. Mainly the last part where folks not demonstrating means we have bunk values. From my perspective we are an anti social bunch who generally suck at organizing. I don't have an easy way to just join up in a mass protest and I barely know where to start. I am depressed and anxious. I am trying to do what I can. Want me to just not work?? Me and who??? How will I eat?? I'd love to demonstrate.
  
  Being anti-social and not organizing are bunk values. America will never get better until we admit the ways in which it sucks.
  Unionize! Start by just talking to your coworkers about pay. You can make a difference, but it will take a long time to unfuck.
  
  This is by design. The oligarchs have spent decades consolidating power, paying politicians off for favourable laws and regulations, and forced the wage gap wider and wider. When reports come out saying a majority of Americans live paycheque to paycheque, they rub their hands in glee. The plan is working. You cannot afford to protest their take over of the government. You are a slave in almost every way. It is by design.
- Oh, there are definitely protests here, you just aren't hearing about them. They just aren't making the international news. There are regular, frequent protests on the West Coast of the US, including Hawaii. Pro-federal worker protests, pro-union protests, anti-Trump/Musk protests, pro-canadian protests/celebrations. It's on our local news often, but it rarely makes international news. People have been doing good work around here too, if you know what I mean. Stuff that enrages the fascists.

This really sucks for the still sane Americans
- True but honestly we kind of deserve it.
  
  I guess but a lot of us have been fighting against this rise of Nazis but we’re up against a multibillion dollar brainwashing machine and billion dollar facist think tanks. I don’t think a lot of us deserve this because we have been trying. I don’t see this ending without violence and unfortunately our side is losing so we better get our shit together.
  
  We deserve to no longer be able to boss everyone around with our "soft power," but it shouldn't have taken a fascist takeover to get there.
- Border states, snowbird states, and dual citizens are going through it. This is likely the worst diplomatic move in recent American history.
- Sucks for us Canadians, too.
- I want to leave but cant even imagine any country that would take me.

I want to see him hang up on Trump if/when he calls him "governor", and then publish the phone call.
- I wouldn’t mind some tit for tat. Carney could respond with Felon, Rapist, Laughingstock and they’d cut deep because they’re true.

As well it should be. Even if we get our act together and elect another sane president, we've demonstrated that we're happy to burn every single bridge we've spent so long building, and that it isn't some one-off fuckup either
- The US will have to crawl through the door on the right if they ever want to have any kind of decent relationship with other countries again. And we will NOT be getting our favored status that we've enjoyed since the end of WWII back. As the British Empire went, so too does the American Empire.
  
  The US shouldn't even continue to exist as the single entity it is today. I think five to eight large states is probably ideal. Cascadia, Rocky Mountains, Great Plains, New England, the South, the Great Lakes region, and something needs to be done with the Alaska, Hawaii, and our various non-state territories like Puerto Rico and American Samoa.
  It's simply too big and diverse to effectively govern.

Donald Trump is the enemy of the state...welp....guess WW3 is getting closer and closer...
- Just wait until the US and Russia team up to form the new Axis.

I’ve got a sign up sheet going for New England secession if anyone wants in
- Northeast South Canada, checking in here! My people moved into this land just a few generations ago. The motherland calls...
  
  It's where my great grandparents came from! Homeward bound!

This goes for every country, except maybe Russia. Arrogant prick thinks the US doesn't need anybody else. Those who aren't rich who think that way will be doing the finding out as a result of his fucking around.
- Our era of close ties with Russia has been over for a damn hot minute. Trump thinks he's friends with Putin, but Putin just wants to cripple the US.
  
  Regardless of motivations, if the US government is friendly with Russia's, it's a close relationship.
  
  He's so fucking stupid. I always like when reporters glaze on him before asking a question, since they know he's so manipulateable to this kind of shit. Ofc they don't mean any of what they say but he's way too dumb to realize it.

Trump had permanently altered relations with the United States and that, regardless of any future trade deals, there would be "no turning back."
"The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over," Carney said.
that sounds pretty bad, but it's not very specific
- As it has to be. What Trump does next and what happens in Europe will play a big role in the details.

I don’t know why Canada and Mexico haven’t done a press conference where they rip up the USMCA agreement.
- MEXI-CAN trade agreement?
  
  Very difficult, as most traded goods pass through US boundaries via train/truck.
  More "regular" trade agreements between individual states is generally more likely going forward I imagine, but the sort of integrated supply chains that we've all benefited from in North America for like.... decades and decades... is pretty well toast.
  Eg. the US wants to build their own cars, in country. This means Canada and Mexico will likely also need to build their own cars, in country. Mexico has a bit more of an opportunity to build up integrated supply chains with countries in south america, though they tend to be a bit less stable -- the proximity is a win. It'd be really cool to see if they did though -- not sure what sorts of free trade agreements are around in the south, honestly.
  Canada is busy trying to shore up agreements/trade with areas like asia and europe, as those are 'sorta' the same distance/calculus as shipping things via sea to mexico / south america.
  It'd also be interesting if the waning of the US hegemony results in more western countries trading with traditionally 'blockaded' countries. Cuba has long been a Canadian vacation spot, but trade with Cuba has been limited due to US pressure. Given the current state of things, I don't see why Canada wouldn't increase trade there. And given the state of Cuba currently, it could be really beneficial for both country's people.
  
  Better than a Mexican't.
- Over 80% of exports go to the US, and without those exports Canada's debt load will implode the country. Its not actually an option to just accept the tariffs.

Elbows up, buddy!

For literally no reason.
- There is a reason: because Putin wants it.

The USA can gargle my balls.
- You'd trust them to?
  
  Chomp
- The government and its supporters, anyway.
  
  That’s over 75 million people.

Well, yeah, what else would the US expect? Sincerely, a pissed off hoser

I vote we all change the name officially to the United States of Mexico.

This is it gentlemen. A new era begins!

Read my lips...Never gonna happen. You don't get rid of a big brother just because of one mishap. Drumpf will be gone in 28 and the healing will immediately begin. I just hope he doesn't die before then. JDV is a hillbilly that hillbillies want to disassociate themselves from.