3d ago

There It Is: RFK Jr. Suggests Best Strategy For Combatting Measles Is For Everyone To Get It

www.techdirt.com There It Is: RFK Jr. Suggests Best Strategy For Combatting Measles Is For Everyone To Get It

Well that was fast. We were just talking about RFK Jr.’s recent comments on the measles outbreak in several southern states, mainly Texas, and how those comments were dangerous. The HHS Secre…

Remember when politicians said everyone should get covid to develop heard-immunity? And then we had more than one million deaths since then?

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4d ago

There It Is: RFK Jr. Suggests Best Strategy For Combatting Measles Is For Everyone To Get It

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Well actually we already do that, its called vaccines you fuckers

I'm glad I've been keeping up with my vaccinations... How long until Brainworm finds a way to ban them?

Measles kills memory cells, effectively factory resetting your immune system.

RFK Jr., a man vaccinated against the measles, says your kids should get measles.
- not against worms though.

If I'm not mistaken parts of the SF Bay Area had measles parties like 10-15 years ago when the anti-vaxx thing was really becoming trendy. Parents would take their kids to try to get them infected. It's as stupid today as it was before. Fuck these people.
- People who intentionally infect their children with deadly pathogens and assist in spreading disease should face criminal charges.
- they had to put a stop to that quick. people dont have measles party for a reason, and usually only occurs for chickenpox anyways. both cpox and measles is quite severe to adults.
  
  Yes, it was a big thing with public health officials and doctors saying that measles were not like chickenpox but that's how people in Marin were treating it.
  Article from 2015 that was updated in 2018.

What a fucking moron.
If there were only a way to introduce everyone to the virus with no risk of suffering the symptoms of the disease. Wouldn’t that be amazing?
- We all know the scientific answer is to train the body to recognise the threat and train in advance on a less damaging dose.
  This is why homeopathy works.
  
  Homeopathy or homoeopathy is a pseudoscientific [1] system of alternative medicine.
  
  Science ≠ Homeopathy
  
  /s on the homeopathy? Legit cannot tell, feel you might have been making a decent joke ripping on it, but might have been lost in translation so to speak.

What if there was a way for everyone’s body to know about measles, without actually getting measles.
That would be pretty cool huh?
- I know, right? Wouldn't it be nice to get just a shot at the doctor's office like I did, and not have to worry about catching a deadly disease?
- Yeah but you'd have to kind of train everyone's immune system by somehow introducing it to the virus without the person actually getting infected.
  Seems impossible.
  
  What if we did something to the virus so that it couldn't make us sick, but still made our bodies thing we were sick?
- I did this way today! (am old person so needed booster).
  
  you might want o get shingrx vaccine, for shingles too if your over 50+, shingles is more severe in older adults, than in younger people. i had a mild form of phn from a small shingles rash.
- This is a witch. Burn them.
  
  I got better.

That's the opposite of combating. That's just giving up.
- "If we let people starve to death, we can solve the food crysis!"
  
  dead people don’t starve
  
  FYI - "Crysis" is an intentional misspelling of the word "crisis" for the purpose of the title of a video game.
  I guess they thought the Y made it cooler? I dunno, but it definitely never worked for people's names. Karyn is so much worse than Karen.
  
  It's like an AI ran the calculations and determined eradication of the species will minimize suffering. Except we didn't need an AI, just a really dumb guy.

Also measles resets your immune system. Your immune system keeps records of all the crap it's fought, making it easier to fight next time. When you get measles, it's like you're a new born. So he's not only allowing ppl to die, he's making it easier for future illnesses to kill as well.
article on measles
Two studies of unvaccinated children in an Orthodox Protestant community in the Netherlands found that measles wipes out the immune system’s memory of previous illnesses, returning it to a more baby-like state, and also leaves the body less equipped to fight off new infections.
The first paper, led by Velislava Petrova, of the Wellcome Sanger Institute and Cambridge University, says measles erodes two separate lines of defence of the immune system.
To tackle previously unseen infections, the immune system relies on constantly pumping out a diverse range of immune cells – thousands of different varieties, each with slightly different receptors on their surfaces, with a collective ability to recognise almost any pathogen.
“The more diverse range of them we have, the better,” said Petrova. However, after measles, the children had a far more restricted range.
The immune system also creates long-lived memory cells, which remain permanently in circulation, allowing the body to rapidly recognise and eliminate previously encountered infections.
However, after measles, a substantial proportion of immune memory cells had disappeared from the children’s blood, in what the scientists described as “immune amnesia”. This could even mean that children who become infected with measles may need to be revaccinated for previous diseases.
- it suppresses your immune system, measles theoretically does this by infecting dendritic cells which present antigens to t-cells which fights of viruses, if thats impaired, your immune system wont recognize old and new infections.
- Holy shit is that grim.
- Wouldn't this basically reset the COVID pandemic back to where we were in 2021?
  
  No.
  The problem isn't people who have been vaccinated against measles, the problem is people who haven't, can't, or are otherwise immunocompromised.
  Those people would have all of their immunities reset. People who don't get measels because they have the vaccination will be unaffected.
  Plus the current COVID variant is quite unlike the one in 2021, and we'll all need to get vaccinated against the next surviving variant anyway. Coronaviruses suck in that way.
- Wow I never knew this. That's fascinating.

Yep, via vaccine ya fucking doofus
- If only we could give everyone the illness, but like without all the death or lifelong damage it causes...

He should be the first

Is it really still news that USA has gone crazy?
Sorry I asked the same on another story that was also crazy, but this one is even crazier! 🤡
- It's not crazy.
  I wish people would see that, this is years of bad policy coming to light.
  This isnt maliciousness or apathy. This is stupidity, while the south and midwest excel and continue this. The Republicans and those in power continue to dismantle education.
  Why. Because stupidity is a force greater than evil. You can't argue with it, you can't change it, you can't reason with stupidity.
  A democracy is only as good as it's continued excellence in education, learn from this Europe and be better.
  
  The stupidity was always ingrained in American racial politics combined with extreme Christianity.
  Leading to falsification of historic events, and denial of science especially evolution. Resulting in awful moral standards based on 2000 year old principles.
  In that regard USA is more like Iran than Europe. Except Iran doesn't have the white supremacist problem. So USA may actually be worse.
  How can you trust anything, when you can't trust your teachers and basic education?
  Americans are stupid because the majority wants to keep it that way.

Let's end drunk driving by making it legal and actually forcing everyone to drunk drive. Nobody left to drunk drive if everyone's dead

Measles would be even more catastrophic.

MAGAs: “Everyone should get covid”
Doctors in Huston setting up overflow field hospitals in parking lots: “For the love of fuck. Please stop.”

Its terrifying that the health secretary has no idea how serious measles is. Fatalities are pretty high, its not at all like the common cold.
- I think they know. I think we are realising these people are eugenicists.

Him first
- The entirety of Mango Mussolini's cabinet first.

He should get it first, would be a shame if he died and it would scare people into action.

Wow so the solution is to do nothing, seems oddly convenient for a certain group of people

So we're up to literally demented individuals trying to kill us all being in charge.
- I fucking love this country and the fact it has nukes.

Measles is a gift from grandpa nurgle. Take it in! -RFK probably
Seriously the dude has a worm too. He serves nurgle.

He should lead by example.
Maybe the entire Trump ~~closet~~ cabinet should have a measle party to show how it's done!

inb4 the cdc recommends you drink your own piss.

I'm still waiting for him to actually tackle whats in our food since that was his whole shtick.

In 1962, the rate of deaths from measles was 0.2/100k among the population.
Doesn't sound like a l... Ohhh. It's the full population in 1962, not out of the people who got measles.

This is just continuation of the same line of thinking, created by the infamous Great Barrington Declaration. Now Jay Bhattacharya & co get to reap what they sow... with mass death and disability.
- Imagine if long covid affected like 25% of the population. Hell, even 10% would greatly reduce our ability to function as a society.

The best strategy for combatting Trump Derangement Syndrome is also for everybody to get it?
- worm derangement syndrome.

- Dammit, I accidentally clicked and saw the spoiler. I really wanted to wait for the season finale to know how it ended.

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