Side Effects of Ketamine Could Explain a Lot About Elon Musk's Behavior

I think it's fair to say that ketamine may be affecting his faculties, but this is dipping it's toe into "the drugs make him do it!" sanewashing.

Drugs don't make people assholes. They were assholes before they took the drugs, and the drugs emphasise what an asshole they are.

As the saying goes “sober thoughts, drunk words”
- Drunk words, ketamine actions?
People have been known to change personalities and become like that after serious brain injuries. Not uncommon for such people to become right wing.
I don't know much about ketamines effect on the brain..
- I have a running theory that the reason celebs like telia tequila and Kanye suddenly veer so hard to crazy town is brain damaged caused by overdose/suicide and being clinically deaad + sent to weird brainwashing rehab facilities
- Probably takes cocaine and he does drink alcohol too
- Idk acid just makes me giggly and forget what I was saying because I saw a cool pattern on the wall. Don't think it changes your personality that much
And assholes with too much money are a special brand of assholes.

I'm gonna tap the sign.

(The Drug User's Bible, by Dominic Milton Trott)

Do not let Elon Musk own ketamine. It is a valid depression treatment.

Well...it's found to effective at halting the immediate effects of severe depression. In other words, it's just enough to stop someone from going suicidal or worse. It has NOT been shown to be a good candidate for long-term use in treating general depression in anyone, in fact, there's a larger nunber of studies correlating Ketamine abuse with mental defect than showing it useful in a medical capacity.
There's a huge difference between those two things. Here's a study that only looked at previous records (no conflict of interest in new study targets) : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8972190/
- Well…it’s found to effective at halting the immediate effects of severe depression. In other words, it’s just enough to stop someone from going suicidal or worse. It has NOT been shown to be a good candidate for long-term use in treating general depression in anyone, in fact, there’s a larger nunber of studies correlating Ketamine abuse with mental defect than showing it useful in a medical capacity.
  That, and with the resources available to someone like Elon, I am sure he has some personal doctor giving him regular recreational access if he wants to.
  That being said, the article is a bit sensationalist. It shouldn't be ruled out as a contributing factor, but Elon has basically always had that confused arsehole streak to his character.
- Correct. However, it is effective in the short term, which makes its short term use valid. Occasional recreational use is also valid. I feel psychedelics are a better option in most cases. Elon Musk has chosen to use ketamine chronically--carelessness in, carelessness out. He shouldn't be the face of ketamine. I'm rightfully concerned about the demonization of ketamine due to these headlines, when the only thing that should be demonized is Musk.
  Musk is the same person who said homelessness is a propaganda word for useless drug addicts. Anti-drug sentiment is a dangerous radical right ideology. People must remember this when discussing this subject. I've seen comments on many posts relating to politicians and drug use with an inherently negative stance on drugs, particularly with Musk, which is my reason for tapping the sign. The articles themselves often have an anti-drug bias, and I feel that's showing itself here a little.
  Keep discourse in good faith.
Valid treatments are abused all the time...
Ket is abused all the time.
Musk isn't taking it therapeuticly, he's taking it recreationally to dissociate from a reality where he's a giant asshole everyone hates and makes fun.
Two completely different uses

Growing up the son of a wealthy emerald-mine owning dysfunctional family in apartheid South Africa explains a lot of his behavior too.

And grandson of the head of the “technocracy” party in Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman
- I mean, that dude died when he was 3. It is possible his views were passed onto his mother, but.

Ketamine, like any drug, should be thoroughly researched. Whether good, bad, or mixed, the knowledge would be useful.

In any case, I think that being wealthy is the most dangerous drug of all. It frees you from the consequences of your actions. Being invulnerable from society, prevents you from knowing what it means to be harmed. It is why rich folks tend to be assholes, since they don't understand the reality of being human. They are more akin to space aliens or dragons.

...at this point, excessive wealth is something I believe to be a drug that harms society, not individuals.

Ketamine, like any drug, should be thoroughly researched.
Hey man, go easy on him. He's researching it as hard as he can, while balancing other responsibilities, like running DOGE. Have you ever tried working for the federal government with a cranium full of ketamine? It's not as easy as he makes it look.
- He balances ketamine with cocaine and alcohol
There's an insane amount of research into ketamine. That's why they literally use it regularly to sedate children.
It's very safe and well tolerated. This shit isn't about ketamine.
- There's a big difference between anesthetic use and recreational abuse tho.
  There isn't much study on recreational abuse and the few that exist are very damning, from neurotoxicity to straight up brain lacerations. Of course this needs more studying but theres very real chance K abuse has real damage.

They gave my cat ket before they euthanized her. She looked absolutely blissful, but certainly in no fit state to run a government.

I mean this in the nicest way, but your cat would make an excellent replacement for the current governor.
- Lenny's Cat 2028
- Hell I'd make a dead cat leader of DOGE over the current one
- Is this what "dead cat bounce" means?

Who cares what the cause of the behavior is? It is unacceptable.

That should be enough. No need to even try to explain of empathize with it.

But it is telling that the richest man in the history of mankind acts like this. People should see that wealth does not equate to strength, intelligence, good politics, etc. But instead people see wealth as a way to get away with anything they want, even if it is completely embarrassing stuff that no one with self respect would even think about.

Very true. Fuck the rich
I believe it would be worth to research it. Similar to research into serial killers and other "unwanted" neurotypes we should try to learn how we can prevent people becoming like this and prevent becoming their victims

Being a massive shithead also explains a lot of it. Including the drug use.

I have a lot of ketamine users in my town and many highly functioning ones and it's very clear that the drug has long tail disassociative effects. They are so disconnected and zombie like despite seemingly functional.

I say this as a psychonaut myself - long term K use is pretty scary but people are afraid to shit on K because if not abused it's seems to have a lot of powerful positive effects on many.

Life is literally an exercise in balance and homeostasis. Too much of anything is almost always bad in the long term.
- Yeah I mean, water and oxygen can both kill you in high enough amounts.
- when you get the message, hang up the phone
My mother had to take it for a nerve condition and it fucked her up. Ruined parts of her nervous system and she required physical therapy to be able to grasp objects again.
She has now been in several car accidents since cause she goes into hazes and acts differently. I'm not sure it has good side effects other than being an incredibly strong tranquilizer and disassociative.
Lots of drugs are considered highly by their users but this one seems to have some pretty rough sides to make it sound at all positive to me.

People are too hard on drugs. Drugs are great. the ketamine might be helping for all we know. It's money and feeling unwanted as a child that has caused this man's brain damage.

You can see the insecure little boy in him so much. Him and Joe Rogan. They are so obviously doing everything in themselves to have some confidence but not even millions and billions of dollars can fill that hole of abandonment.
- Right, no one does the amount of steroids Joe Rogan does without having a severe case of body dysmorphia or something similar
- Little boy feels unwanted.
  Little boy commits to getting rich and successful so he'll feel wanted.
  Little boy achieves success.
  Little boy finds out the money prevents him from forming any meaningful relationships.
  The world burns.
Yeah sad to see so many people here make the same error that the US (and most of the world) did regarding cannabis for 80+ years.
Stop falling for propaganda like this.
- The dose makes the poison. I have seen people go from helped by prescription adderall to completely paranoid and detached from reality at high doses.
  It can be both bad for him at his dosages and good for others, and I think most people here have understood that, though maybe I’m being optimistic

It's not drugs, he's just a douche

Could be both
- Totally
- Drug fuelled douche

I'm currently taking 80mg ketamine troches and can verify that I am not a sociopathic Nazi.

A fragile ego and sense of entitlement could also explain a lot of it. This comes from experience and, thankfully, at least some people can get better.

I dunno man, I've done ketamine and it didn't turn me into a nazi.

Maybe he's just a bad person.

Narcissism is the main problem with him, K made it worse.
- Yep it just makes him unpredictable and more dangerous.
There's a difference between recreational K use and stuffing it down every opportunity you get. If you've done K you know how it looks and Musk looks like that 100% of the time.

I'm not huge into drugs, can someone explain to me why a billionaire takes ketamine? Isn't it a prescription painkiller?

Shouldn't he be smoking brainstem of an endangered rainforest frog, or some nameless lab chemical synthesized personally for him?

It's a dissociative drug that has long been used as a field anesthetic because there's a very wide range of doses that are both effective and non-lethal. It's shown promise in recent years as a treatment for depression and certain other conditions that are resistant to traditional treatments. Ketamine is also sort of fun to do recreationally for the affirmation dissociative effects. Elon Musk is basically a drug addict at this point. He's abusing it way too often and is healthy or safe to do
I don't know about ketamine but I have been around people on Amphetamines. He acts like they did. So a guy trying to run 3 companies at the same time would presumably use amphetamines to have the time. You can go for days without sleeping.
I know it's hard to phantom, but they have human bodies
That react to stimulants just like we
But they aren't like us
- Ummm... Billionaires are people? Imma need a source on that.
- *fathom
- Is this a poem?
I suppose it's just like most drug addicts, you don't really choose what you get addicted to or when, something just sort of gets its hooks into you at some point and that's it.
Plus if you factor in having essentially no boundaries on your life (ie infinite money and nobody to tell you no or stop you doing anything, being more-or-less above the law, access to high-quality drugs and world-class healthcare) you can probably go on doing stuff like that pretty much indefinitely. IIRC that's how Keith Richards said he was able to go on doing drugs for so long - he was loaded so he could always get the good stuff that wasn't mixed with anything.

Have you met his mother? That also explains a lot.

You mean his sister?

Excuses at this point

Or him having been an entitled narcissist surrounded by sycophants for his entire life.

Hey look, the media blaming drugs for stupid people doing stupid shit.

This isn't the ketamine. He would probably be even worse without it.

Who is giving him this shit?

Catch me on the street with whatever pharmacy of dugs Musk is taking and I’d probably be sitting in front of a judge pretty quickly. Just another example of the rich doing whatever the F they want with no consequences.

Thinking about it, whoever Elon's dealer is probably has a pretty sweet gig as far as drug dealing goes. They've got someone on the hook who is the magical combination of being an addict, has infinite wealth, doesn't know the value of anything, and is a huge asshole so they probably don't even feel bad about exploiting them lol.
- I'm sure Elon pays a huge premium for an exclusive, on-call drug dealer.

There's an oldish ~~English~~ Irish rap song about what Ketamine is like ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5PWRPeMOk

And man, does it explain Musk

Versatile are Irish.
(Or were, I think they've gone their separate ways now.)
- Good looking out

Ketamine is the least of this dude's problems.

history just keeps on rhyming

Hitler and friends liked amphetamine.

I mean.. we all have that friend who does mushrooms or drops acid and thinks they are the savior of the human race.

The only difference is that the next day they have to go work their shift at IHOP rather than waking up and being the richest person in the world.

Those are true, non-addictive, psychedelics and the world would be a better place if more people were given them with a proper guide. Ketamine is significantly different and addictive.
- So... You're saying we shouldn't be giving the richest man in the world an animal tranquilizer along with unlimited power over our government?
- I've had my own experiences with psychedelics. I believe they have huge potential for psychotherapy but at the same time I absolute have to acknowledge the risks of psychosis. Handle with care!

Imagine coming out of a K hole and finding that you’ve caused the most powerful nation in the world to collapse.

Yeah, no shit. Now how do we make it stop?

Gun?
- Yes Rico

Musk = POS Nazi wannabe!

Add Kanye West to that list as well

So here's one thing: all humans are the same.

It doesn't matter how evil you are, you are not immune to guilt, when you fuck up millions of people you are going to be affected. They (corrupted rulers) are probably on multiple drugs and pills to patch up their conditions.

It doesn’t matter how evil you are, you are not immune to guilt
Not true. Malignant narcissists like Trump don't experience guilt, shame, etc.
- Wrong. They may not experience guilt and shame the same way you do, they may have their own beliefs and sensibility levels but nobody is immune to guilt the same way nobody is immune to physical pain. Nobody is born a malignant narcissist or a money addict. They are compensating.