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Zelensky ordered to leave White House without signing minerals deal after Oval Office clash with Trump

kyivindependent.com Zelensky ordered to leave White House without signing minerals deal after Oval Office clash with Trump

President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House early without signing a mineral deal with the United States following a heated exchange with President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.

Zelensky departed in his motorcade around 1:45 p.m. local time, without holding a joint news conference scheduled for later in the day, after the two leaders got into a heated argument while speaking with journalists in the Oval Office.

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CNN reported that following the exchange, Zelensky and Trump left to separate rooms, with the Ukrainian delegation wanting to continue talks with the Trump administration.

Trump later ordered his officials to tell the Ukrainian officials to leave the White House, despite protest from the Ukrainian delegation.

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Zelensky ordered to leave White House without signing minerals deal after Oval Office clash with Trump

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"Heated exchange".
What are they talking about?? An exchange requires at least two participants. Zelenskyy was trying to keep it cool while Trump and Vance (mainly Trump) just spoke over him. That wasn't a heated exchange, it was a fucking loser having a tantrum while others watched, not quite believing what they were seeing. Having Trump keep talking about Zelenskyy basically being responsible for his citizens dying and bullets flying etc made me sick. The absolute lack of compassion from this orange twerp is incredible. What a cunt.

I have never been more ashamed to be an American, and have felt like I'm saying this increasingly often. This dude is a man of his people coming to hope and keep aid to be able to fight Putin and these dudes ridiculed and heckled him. They were giving him shit for not wearing a suit. Fucking assholes. Anyone who keeps up knows that's for good reason. He's showing solidarity with the soldiers, his citizens, that are fighting for their god damned homes and families. This deal was never going to go. It was a setup for Trump and Vance to stroke their pathetic micro penis egos. Fucking disgraceful.
- It's people sitting there that just a year ago condemned Russia, but now since Putin bought the little goblin emperor or seduced him or whatever, all sycophant now turn their coat to secure a spot in his fascist dictatorship.
  People will soon start to be killed and hunted and if you are not ready it will be hell. You can never know if the narcissist mythomaniac in the god emperor position chooses an attribute you have for eradication. Nobody can be safe. He may slay his own staff or innocents at any moment. You can not be safe until you reacquire your union from this insane death cult. Rise, or if not at least gtfo while you can. Mark my words, soon, people will start to die. We can know this from how unphased the self proclaimed genius is when zel mentions the kids being raped, and nothing is said about it being wrong. At all nothing wrong with invading breaking international war crimes, obviously letting soldiers ransack, rape, and compulsively against his now meaningless signature breaking ceasefire, within hours. With hate in his heart and an iron grip on his people he too is a bruised ego that transformed into a psychopath warlord lacking humanity the last hope of which he lost decades ago.
  And how quickly the sycophants all fall in line, unanimously showing zero respect for the slaughtered children and soldiers. Not even a single sycophant in the room reacts when zel points out that they are defending their homeland. They are not the aggressor. The god emperor never speaks ill of the aggressor. He makes his choice clear. He is extorting zel with his ability to reduce weapon support. Then he says zel plays with ww3. It's typical cluster b narcissistic destructive psychosis. It's openly they show they want to cultivate their oligarchy and become a dictatorship. They even do not hide it. But they do try to make a little theatre. They have shut down all ability to reflect.
  The sick emperor has a weaker grasp of his own language. The manchild emperor doesn't even understand his obligation to defend the baltics, or probably even where they are. He doesn't understand what zel is saying. He replies with poorly written messages meaning nothing meant only to boost and pretend he is responsible for everything good even small petty obviously fabricated claims. he chooses he has done or thought out, and proudly shuts of his own ability to reflect on any failure cementing his ignorance and frustratingly meager capability to grasp real reality. Everything he fails is a misunderstanding. He randomly spouts a year to look educated on the conflict. To the man leading his country that is being attacked. About when the first attack came. It is so bizarrely evil and dangerous that you let this mentally ill decide the fate of so many while blaming the victims themselves. It is insane. The disgusting emperor even can not figure out after so many years that the terrorist warlord he has been seduced by and became a fan of, has been killing and plans to kill anyone in his way, using war crimes and other insane weapons despite promising not to. He thinks he will be in the oligarchy, a part of the 10 people that is in the dictatorship. He will not. Because he is easy to fool.
  So embarrassing, yeah, but also, in the meantime cruise missiles are continually falling, and the only one that can stop that is fucking usa air defense or the psychopath himself and they chose to not speak ill of the killers even for a second, but lambasts zel for insane shit such as not saying thanks, when he has said it several times.
  It was political ambush. A theatrical performance of poorest quality. The senile dictator has only pure childish fear inside. A fear of becoming irrelevant. This drives him to clinical mythomania. Please be careful and stay safe.

What is even worse than how embarrassing this is, is that it’s impossible for me to tell if this was Putin’s idea or just a fortunate side effect of his stooge’s lead-addled and dying brain.

France should gift a bunch of nukes to Ukraine. Seriously the EU lacks the manufacturing capacity to properly arm Ukraine without US deliveries and keep their own stockpiles at an adequate levels.
- Europe should call ruzi bluff with immediate boots on the ground pushing ruzkies back to the border. Secure the airspace and fucking fry the orcs. Done with minimal european casualties.
  Everyone's pissing in the boot while Europe suffers economic and cultural damage that will indirectly kill many more people than a swift defense would have.
  
  This is how WW3 starts.

I watched this and I found it disgusting. It seemed to me that this was pure blackmail. This American government can't be trusted to keep its commitments and I won't be surprised if he pulls such stunts with Taiwan as well.
I wonder if any other world leader would like to visit the White House and be insulted by this administration !!

He wasn't ordered. He left on his own accord.
- What is the context of this comment? It seems like you're ignoring the article, but if you know something I don't, I'm all ears.
- I haven't seen that reported anywhere. Source?
  
  You want me to provide a source for a negative?
  Ok. I watched the whole exchange... No one told him to leave.

The wording is so insane to me. Like he was just begging to sign that deal. lol
There's no way he was going to sign it. He didn't come to the US to sign it. He came here to negotiate into a reasonable deal for both countries. This headline makes it sound like he lost out, and he really didn't. Like, sure, we could have swooped in and helped Ukraine a little more, but in return we would get billions, maybe even trillions in return... It's literally war profiteering out in the open.
That kind of shit used to be illegal and now we have Presidents televising his profiteering... This timeline is fucking nuts.
- I bet he chose to leave but Trump couldn't handle the Truth.
- Ukraine's mineral resources really aren't even that considerable on a global scale. They're not insignificant but their economic value at the moment, even setting aside the war, doesn't have American companies salivating.
  This minerals for protection thing apparently was floated by Ukraine first to the Biden administration and Trump campaign. The Biden administration didn't do much with it because, among other things, the actual economic and practical value was questionable.
  Trump, on the other hand, just wants to be seen making deals. Zelenskyy and Ukraine first floated the general idea because they knew Trump is highly transactional and it'd give Trump an easy "win."
  I highly doubt trillions in profits are anywhere in the mix.
  And you don't want to negotiate anything with Trump directly. If Zelenskyy did that intentionally, he dropped the ball. Trump is far too mercurial and often only grasps issues in the most basic of senses. Trying to get into a nuts and bolts negotiation with him is pointless. Hammer that out first, get something signable without too onerous of long term commitments, compliment him, sign, move on.
  
  So there's a huge deposit between Mariupol and Donetsk, which is in Russian controlled territory. It's probably the easiest to mine and most economically viable... I think that was the original plan Zelensky was thinking. Get some American mining infrastructure there and then thr US has skin in the game.
  Trump seems to have a survey of the entire countries rare earth resources and is just taking the entire estimated value and splitting in half. Which as you pointed out is stupid, because a lot of the deposits are smaller or would be much more expensive to mine.
  
  Ukraine’s mineral resources really aren’t even that considerable on a global scale.
  Give me $10,000, because you know, on a global scale it's not a lot of money, so you shouldn't worry about handing it over to me. /s
  For some people, $10,000 is a lot. A metric like "global scale" is so..... Fuck, I can't even think of a word. Assholic. You're an asshole for using a word like that to describe this situation like it's no big deal.
- US assurance means as much as Russian assurance anyways, and US is known to go back on deals they themselves proposed and signed like what they are doing to Canada. So if the US isn't even making a good faith attempt at a deal they likely wouldn't stick to in order to protect Ukraine it just shows how corrupt negotions were from the start.
  
  that is why it is important for smaller countries to join up to form something like EU and etc. so as to function like a big country.
- That's what the article says. Zelensky wanted to continue negotiations.
  There are things the US has that they cannot get from the EU. If there would ever be a deal that would be the basis.

Europe, don’t count on America for shit. Do what needs to be done before Ukraine is wiped from the map. They will come for you too.
- I find it interesting that some people think that this war doesn’t, or will not, concern them. Because it absolutely might and it will.
- The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world. It's up to Europe now. The U.S. is a fucking shithole.
  
  I find it sad that the only thing the typical American is concerned with is the price of gas. It makes me realize that the whole concept of “never again” is unrealistic, because people will always be unapologetically selfish and will refuse to learn from history. I really really hope I’m wrong.
  
  The U.S. are no longer the leaders of the free world.
  Frankly, most of the time that was said it was said by Americans and the rest of us just smiled and nodded politely.
  
  It’s always been that way
- American here, we are a shit country with shit people. Good luck and please liberate us from the fascists when it really hits the fan.
- We will hopefully do that, but it's also up to the American citizens to finally put up a proper resistance. One of the most worrying things to me is how indifferent the majority of Americans seem to be to their country turning fascist and betraying its allies. There were some protests sure, but they're ridiculously tiny compared to protests in even much smaller countries like Georgia. It's time to wake the fuck up before power has fully been consolidated and there's no way back. Europe may be able to stand alone against Russia, but against Russia and the US will be tough.
  
  It's worse than indifference. I posted on NextDoor about NOAA being gutted (this was 2-weeks ago, not about today's news) and the response was fucked. Got called a socialist, communist, "fuck is wrong with people when we try to reduce spending", happy to spend money on weather apps as-is (who the fuck does that?!), liberal (in a bad way, of course), some shit about me shitting on vets (?!), on and on. Shit was so hard-on for Trump and Musk it was the most commented post for a week.
  
  I lost confidence in the American public. The egos that are displayed on TV and social media has brainwashed everyone. It’s infuriating to see it all.
  
  About 35% of Georgia's population lives in Tbilisi. The second largest population center is is Batumi at around 6%. There are 360km between them.
  The Los Angeles metro area is America's largest population center at around 5% of the population. The DC metro area is the 7th largest at just under 2% of the population. There are 4300km between them.
  This is on top of the car centric sprawl of US cities with minimal public transportation. If (even generously) 30% of the population wanted a unified protest, how would they reach each other? Let alone converge to protest at somewhere that matters.

Americans are cowards for letting Russia take over their country
- Can someone tip me in on why Trump insists on sucking Putin’s pee pee?
- Murica died with a whimper!
  
  We're dying by a type of asphyxiation caused by sniffing our own farts for almost a hundred years.
  
  It died with the sound of Putin's balls being gurgled by Republicans
  
  The greatest bigly whimper
- Hard to dispute.
- Yeah, but we're rocking a steady 1.21 gigawatts off Ronald Reagan's spinning corpse.
- Thank the senile Joe Biden for that.
  
  No

Zel should fly to another country in EU for mineral deal

The Kremlin dictates U.S. policy.
- The whole world sees it including the American people who clearly don’t care.
  
  The majority of American voters have shown us who they are evil garbage.
- Putin's arm is so far up the orange shitbag's ass that you cam see the fingers waggle eveytime he opens his mouth
- Mark my words: Trump will now sign a minerals deal in Ukraine with Putin

Trump and Vance are total imbeciles. Fucking toddlers are more coherent.

Just when you thought you couldn’t get any more embarrassed being an American.
This is a great window into how Trump, Vance and MAGA do business.
Bully. Yell. Lie. Threaten.
- You think you're as embarrassed as you could be? We're just getting started. You can't even see rock bottom from where we are now.
  
  Americans will only start to feel embarassment when they need to apply for asylum in other countries to escape the housefire they started. Good luck with that, btw. Oh yeah, and that day still won't be close to bottom. Friendly reminder that the turnover for food in the USA without resupply is 3 days.
- Vance is the most cringe here. I swear if old age gets to Trump in the next four years Vance will do more damage to the American reputation that can be salvageable in the next decade or more.

For a guy who said he's not gonna start any wars, he sure is acting like a guy who's gonna start a war.

He should fly to Brussels to discuss Europe's offer. They won't tell him repeatedly that he should be more thankful.

Americans, I expect you to fight rhis bully.
Please, grow a fkin pair and start fighting back. You don't want to be regretting your lack of fighting back while you can.
Rage against rhe machine please.
- How? Like tell us how. You want us to try and kill people in the streets? Or maybe continue with the protests that are happening? You want us to civil war? I'm just waiting for how us Americans can take out Trump and the republican party. And before you answer look at your country and population and size and compare it to the united states before you say just grow a pair, you can come and suicide yourself trying to take on a assassination attempt if you want, maybe you grow a pair. So if you dont have a real solid plan for how,I don't wanna hear shit from you
- That assumes most Americans are against what Trump is doing which is not the case based on election results. And unlike the civil war for slavery its not like opposing sides are neatly divided by regions this time around either.
  It's more like a random mixture of differing sides living side by side, so rage against the machine would end up looking more like neighbors carrying out reenacting their favorite moments from the Purge movies and just what looks like indiscriminate mass murder between civilians. Not even state vs state.
- Problem is most of us are under personal attack, so we don't have the ability or energy to fight for others. And since the personal attacks are of a potentially violent or otherwise life threatening nature rather than simply a political one, it means many of us can't afford to stand up.
- He won the election. He destroyed the Democrats. More than half the country voted for him. This is what they wanted. You might not like it but you're gonna have to accept that even though the majority of Lemmy and Reddit agree with you, you're still the minority compared to the rest of the country. You're telling us to fight back against this president that you don't like. Be the change you want to see. Change the minds of everyone around you.
  
  A German before WWII wouldn't change a word. Shame.
  
  The Democrats destroyed themselves. Constructed opposition at best. Shamefully inept at worst.

- As a naturalized American, you have every right to say so.
- I want to be clear this is the doing of Republicans in America they are evil.
  
  It's gonna be interesting watching to see if all the "All Russian people are complicit because they don't rise up and kick Putin out" crowd actually put their money where their mouths are and show them how it's done, or if it was all bluster.
  To be clear, I hope it's the former but I think it's the latter.
- As an American who didn't make that mistake, I heartily agree.
- If you were one who lived in USA and didn't vote for him, what would you do to not "let this happen"?

Incredibly shameful.

Watching that inteview and remembering the first Zelensky's adresses to his and even my russian people early in the war, I was pretty occupied with an idea of how these two numbheads would be good punching bags once I put a trash bag on them and use a duct tape to ensure their breath doesn't leave it, and hitting them repatedly with a fist or some blunt and heavy object. I don't usually accept or encourage violence, but I felt lost watching this shit piece of negotiations and also very, morbidly angry. I couldn't avoid thinking of going physical with them and it probably took a year and a half from Zelensky's tired neurons to keep himself contained until the meeting ended. I'm pretty sure he kicked something after leaving it. I'm sure I would've if I has been him.

That was the plan all along. It was a set up.

Elbow, Leaders of the Free World
But the leaders of the free world
Are just little boys throwing stones
And it's easy to ignore
Till they're knocking on the door of your homes, yeah
My thinking isn't driven, oh
But the music always gives me a lift
I'm so easy to please, yeah
But I think we dropped the baton like the 60's didn't happen, oh no
- Was true under Bush and Blair, even more so now.
  Don't just stand there watching it happening
  I can't stand it
  Don't feel it
  Something telling me
  Don't wanna go out this way
  But have a nice day
  Then read it in the headlines
  Watch it on the TV
  Put it in the background
  Stick it in the back
  Stick it in the back
  Travis - The Beautiful Occupation

Good for him. There is an enemy combatant in the White House.

Zelensky blew it up too soon honestly. The whole asking JD Vance was not disciplined and let his emotions take over. Granted he's got a lot on his plate, but that was a strategic negotiation mistake on his part.
- This was never a negotiation. It was a Shakedown.
- Seeing all of Europe line up behind Z. I think things worked out far better than he hope for. Heck, just for driving a wedge between the US and Europe putin might shake Z's hand. Talk about mission accomplished.
  
  True, he did gain a lot of respect despite messing up the negotiation.
- I can't believe you did that. you commented on something you knew nothing about. what a rookie mistake. now you're going to sit there and pout while everyone laughs at how stupid you look. granted you've got nothing on your plate in comparison, but whooo...what if you did?
  
  That's too many sentences for saying nothing.

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