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America must not surrender its Democratic values | Bernie Sanders

There's not a whole hell of a lot that's new here, but it's important to remember that if you're not recognizing the country we've known, colonialist and imperialist as it's been over the years, you're not alone.

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  • I’m not on regular social media, so I don’t really know the answer to this question: are Dems saying any of this on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc. where normal people will actually see it?

    I mostly hear about statements the Dems make in the NYT, WaPo, and others like The Guardian like in this case. Or worse: long speeches in the Senate or House chambers. Most folks aren’t consuming these sources…

    • Dems and Bernie will talk about it, but they won't DO anything about it.

    • One of my biggest frustrations with how journalism has gone is that it turns out people don't want accurate news.

      They used to, but social media has ensconced them in echo chambers where anything else is anathema.

  • He'll talk populous and antioligarchy until the election, then ask us to vote for his good friends the oligarchy.

    • You're letting perfect be the enemy of good - you can push for changes while still operating in a society.

      • None of what is available to us is good. I would prefer a Bernie over a Trump anyday sure but someone like Bernie would simply be killed if they tried to affect profits too much. Never let them convince you that electing the better guy is a solution to systemic issues. Things might get marginally better for US citizens with the slightly less bad guy but our elected representatives are beholden to the capitalists, not the other way around. Once that guy is gone it will continue to get worse because the people who have real power are the ones who control the economy.

      • Not sure how anyone sees the highest level ever recorded of homelessness, followed by another record level of homelessness, as good. How 53% of renters can't afford their housing as good. The widest level of income inequality we've ever had as good. Enabling the mass slaughter of Palestinians while ignoring the pleas of its own people as good, then deny there is a genocide occuring. Throwing trans under the bus while embracing war criminals like the Cheneys, blowing Republican dog whistles, and expanding the police state as good. Refusing to listen to voters that the DNC's hand selected candidate wasnt fit for office until the money people said get him out, as good.

        The enemy of good is liberals that refuse to hold their own people accountable.

    • Really compare the last few Dem/Repub presidents. Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden aren't really the oligarch supporting corpo fascists people try to portray them as. They used the legal channels, usually got fucked by a hostile congress and had more progressive goals than you're imagining.

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