"Arctic Climate Collapse! This time it's REALLY flipped!!" - Just have a Think
The Arctic region has been a massive store of carbon for thousands of years. Now it's warming between 3 and 7 times faster than the global average and that carbon is escaping into our atmosphere. The latest research suggests that more than a third of it is now a net emitter! And in case you're wondering...that's NOT good!
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Thank you, I was wondering about that, yes!? 😄
On a more serious note, I suspect that this is a part of the reason why we are seeing democracies failing all across the globe - the general populace is too selfish and short-sighted to do anything about what is coming, thus paving the way for people willing to make hard calls (even if at first they seem to be ignoring the climate situation, nonetheless what they pave the way to open up to likely seems like it could be gaining support due to this impending doom scenario looming over the horizon).
Like said...people are too short sighted. The people in charge will be long dead before shit really hits the fan.
To be fair to the Boomers, there has been more change in the last 50 years then all of human history combined. Also, there are errors that even (especially?) the intelligentsia are prone to. Also, Rome fell as well - so even though it happened on their watch, wasn't it inevitable, really?
Certainly I have made mistakes in my own personal lifetime, and I would hate to find out that ending civilization was one of them (but in fairness, it very well may be part of the issue). Like, what if 20 years from now, we were to find out that using Lemmy will have put an end to the freedom of people being able to use the Internet, bc of so many messages about Luigi that kept getting powerful people killed, so "they" start banning the protocol and going after it harder than they ever did piracy (which has always been more of a nudge wink just don't let it get out of hand situation)?
All we can do is be as responsible as we know how to be.
Ecofascism, like fascism, is a dead end. They just accelerate the destruction. The climate is global, nobody is going to escape climate chaos while remaining on this planet.
I don't disagree with you, but the point is to not make more excuses for them. They need excuses because fascists hide monstrous intentions behind great PR. Don't do their work for them.
I think people greatly misunderstood me here: I'm not arguing FOR it!?! (Though I can see how the language of "hard calls" would lead to that impression, so that's on me). I am merely trying to understand the potential motivations of the actual people who matter, in terms of shaping empires (since apparently the populace no longer does, at least in many places e.g. in both South - and increasingly we are now seeing North also - America). Ofc these are trends not firm facts, e.g. Canada may have its democracy imperilled but it is nowhere close to what seems to be going on inside the USA, or e.g. Brazil.
But ofc I could be way off. In the past we had many different sources of news media outlets, while in the modern world we seem to have far fewer choices, curated for us by oligarchs (so... same as it ever was, but again, with fewer options, so representing a difference in degree rather than in kind). By holding hostage whatever the actual Truth is, and replacing it with their own curated version, they influence societies to such a large degree that the common man (or woman) no longer "matters", by comparison.
And I was thinking that in the past, democracies seem to have been fashionable to those oligarchs. It produced things like cures for various cancers that no amount of individual funding as a patron was going to make happen.
Whereas now... a new, different set of oligarchs no longer seems to want what democracy can provide. Either due to ignorance or... whatever.
But you are right that this is all just a guessing game.
Here, some context:
https://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/californian-ideology
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-acronym-behind-our-wildest-ai-dreams-and-nightmares/
https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/13636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y-erGt0LsU
https://thebaffler.com/latest/first-as-tragedy-then-as-fascism-amend
https://itsgoingdown.org/ecofascism-overpopulation-and-total-transformation/
Fascists want what they always want, action on conservative goals: "more for me, less for everyone else", with an ambiguous and dynamic "me group" usually. Sometimes it's just a family clan thing, and it can even be reduced to the "Sovereign Citizen" who's doing a type of solo fascism (ancaps).
A shrinking environment means, for fascists & friends, fewer resources to use for themselves, thus a reason to take even more resources from others. It's the prepper ideology at a large scale - survival of the fittest group by hoarding resources and killing the competition.
The techbro types have their own version of this, as mentioned above with the TESCREAL ideologies.
To summarize this in a different way, ecofascists look at the problem of overshoot (includes global warming) as "how to get rid of the competition in order to reduce the overall damage and thus achieve 'sustainability'".
If you're familiar ideas like the Kaya identity then you understand the very basic: IMPACT = population size x average individual impact. Fascists love the high impact living (high consumption, lots of waste and pollution) and want to fix the impact problem by reducing the population size, not the nice lifestyle. This applies proportionally to the rich, the billionaires. Fascist narratives help to outline which population to reduce and which population to preserve (see: "the great replacement" conspiracy theory). This isn't super precise, they constantly redefine groups and there's, of course, a hierarchy or caste system aspect to it, since the rich and privileged depend on the poor and exploited. Techbros hope to achieve fully automated capitalism, so that they no longer depend on the masses. You can guess what happens if that happens.
This is a horrible horrible horrible take
You can make a good argument that is how Carter lost to Reagan.
I don't doubt this is whats behind at least a few ethno-state ideologues.
MMW over the next 10 years we'll see a rise in eco-facism.
I mean if the people in charge aren’t trying to save us … guess we will have to one way or the other
A lot of the people being voted in will just create bunkers for themselves to survive a cataclysm and leave the rest of us to die.
People are being more selfish than usual because they have internet algorithms that will tell them that they're in the right. The internet has made people incredibly spiteful. To the point they're willing to screw themselves over to make things worse for someone else.
Bunkers are a scam. They're fine for some occasional wildfire or flood, but not for climate chaos and all the damage that will do to society. Having a bunker just means you die later, perhaps after you eat your bunker mates, or they eat you. It's not like they'll "repopulate" after, climate change is going to go on long after 2100 and these inbred clowns will just inbreed more until they die off.