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Whats your favorite "deep lore" from a game?

Something that totally shocked you learning it or realizing it. I might be using the wrong wording here, but ill give you my example:

In Ocarina of Time, we all know the Triforce was cut, or otherwise not something you get in the game, save for in the cutscenes towards the end. BUT - did you know you can actually go find it and see it in the game?

If you have a Gameshark, turn on the levitation code. Go go Zeldas Cortyard in the room where she is, and fly over the wall. When you fall, you'll land in a pool of invisible water, and underneath the center of the room with the flowers, look down - there it is. Can't interact with it, but you can see it, and i choose to believe putting it in that exact spot was intentional for lore reasons.

What do you got?

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  • If you've completed enough endings of Nier Replicant/Gestalt you'll already know the twist at the end of Nier Automata, but less known is that the triggering event of Nier's plot, White Chlorination Syndrome, is introduced by ending E of Drakengard, where the Japanese Air Force shoot down a dragon that just killed a god in a dance off.

    This means that the reason you can find the Drakengard weapons in the Nier games is because Caim was carrying all 65 different swords, axes, maces, hammers, spears, staves, and polearms on his person when he was blown to fucking bits by an air to air missile, scattering them across Tokyo.

    • If I wanted to play Drakenguard, do I need to start with the first one, or can i jump in anywhere?

      • 2's the only one that's a direct sequel, so you can start with 1 or 3. Overall the continuity goes 3->hundreds of years->1->2->thousands of years->Nier->tens of thousands of years->Nier: Automata.
        I will warn you though, combat in 1 and 2 is a lot rougher and more repetitive than in Nier: Automata and Replicant 1.27whatever, and the world and story of Drakengard, particularly 1, is much darker and fucked up - grimdark fantasy kinda thing. The first game's "heroes" include a blood knight protagonist, his trusty human eating steed, a useless priest, a woman driven insane by the loss of her family, and a paedophile who escaped the massacre of his family because he was jacking off in the woods. It's not played for laughs, it's an extremely dysfunctional group of outcasts killing thousands of people to stop something worse than them from happening. 2 and 3 lighten up a bit on the heroes, but there's still plenty of weird sex stuff across them and the villains.

        Overall, my advice is don't. Just read a Let's Play of them instead.

  • What was "the war" in Pokemon? Lt Surge fought in it, and apparently Pokemon did too, but there hasn't been any prequel game that explores it.

    But here's an interesting reading: so in early Pokemon content guns were a thing, but later on it was decided that guns don't exist in the Pokeverse. This could be explained in-universe - perhaps guns were a common sight at one time, but they've faded out as the Pokeverse's society has gotten more utopian. This can also be seen in the schemes of the Pokeverse's organized crime - Giovanni and Team Rocket were up to some bad stuff, racketeering, gambling, poaching, but as you go forward in time the worst crimes committed by society's anti-social element are tagging and petty larceny.

    Could it be that "the war" was the final war, and Lt Surge was a member of the People's Army that finally defeated the bourgeoisie, allowing for the creation of utopian post-capitalist societies where lotteries are held just for fun, kids can go on cross-country trips unsupervised, and the only vestige of currency is play money paid out just for participating in society and used to buy non-essential things because all of the necessities of life are distributed for free?

    It's not impossible!

  • Fan theory that is sorta supported: Star Fox is a furry retelling of a real war that happened in the F-Zero universe. James McCloud is a human F-Zero racer.and the weird DS star fox game has an ending where fox totally fucks up his life and he gets it back together when he and Falco join the f-zero grand prix. The Arwing and F-Zero machines are both powered by a G-Diffusor System. The F Zero world not being full of anthropomorphic animals leads me to believe Star Fox is a sanitized telling like Disney's Robin Hood is Robin hood was a real historical guy or weird furry ww2 fanfics

  • In Super Mario 64 if you go to the courtyard and jiggle the joystick around really fast for 30 mins Mario will eventually go "Oooh Mama Mia time to cook a da pasta!" And he will cook you an entire delicious pasta dish he will then turn to the screen holding the dish and say "You want-a dis?" And a menus asking you to select yes or no will appear.

    If you select yes he will say "Okaaaaaay~ you-a asked for it!" and he will take a big dump in the dish and throw it at the screen laughing maniacly saying "You still want-a da pasta, nerd?".

    If you select no he will loudly cry "MAAAAAMAAAAAAAA" until you switch off the console/emulator.

    This is 100% real my dad who works at Nintendo told me it was Miyamotorolas dying wish to include it.

  • In final fantasy 15, Bahamut has Noctis's face. The first king of Lucis, Ardyn's brother Somnus, also looks the same. You can never see Bahamut's full face in-game because his mask covers everything except his eyes, but the novel mentions his appearance explicitly and makes the connection textual. They clearly have a father/son/holy spirit thing going on between them where Ardyn is Satan. Well not clearly, but it's there.

    Really, the full plot of FFXV could be described as deep lore because it's scattered between the games, DLCs, movie, book, and OVA. Here's some more important details that the main game glosses over:

  • Maybe not favourite but the most recent i encountered and in surprising place: Path of Exile 2 which belongs to a genre not famous for even having much lore in the first place:

    When you fight Doryani in act 3 he call you "Demon of Atzoatl", despite protagonist of PoE 2 is not the same person as the protagonist of PoE 1 who travelled in time and ruthlessly pillaged the Temple of Atzoatl and by doing so possibly significantly influenced the fall of Vaal civilization and destruction of entire continent. But Doryani never met the MC of PoE1 and he possibly makes mistake because you too travel in time and do absolute mayhem at key time and place of the Vaal. What's best: Doryani, while genius and one of the most impactful people in game world history, is a complete psycho and one of the worst mass murderers in history of Wraeclast but he figuratively* shit his pants on the mere thought of "Demon of Atzoatl" so it's a nice detail too that finally some boss is scared of you.

    *Figuratively because he don't wear pants

    • PoE lore is absolutely great!

      • There's also further funny bits. PoE1 mentions Doryani many times but never mentions what happened to him. It's because he gets recruited by Alva to help MC in PoE2 (and gets demoted from chief thaumaturge of Vaal to free item identify bot). Fun fact is that Alva probably try to bluff him about the time travel and history, but she accidently hits the same theory as Ketzuli, Architect of Time and advisor to Doryani so Doryani believes that quite easily, especially that the Vaal cataclysm happens minutes later so it's fait accompli anyways. And even better is that this theory is observably false since the atlas in PoE2 suppose to be Wraeclast after the cataclysm, but it has no sense at all with random placement and mix of everything. Doryani even notice that (though its too late) and comment that the reality itself is disrupted by the sheer power of the cataclysm, and warns MC that anything can happen, even meeting with another Doryani (which ofc happens, no way GGG is gonna waste a good boss on just campaign). Thing is, this makes the theories about determinism of history nonsense. And ultimately we know that of the Vaal traditions the only thing that gets preserved is their knowledge about thaumaturgy which only leads to even more tragedies as the recieving Azmeri later found the Eternal Empire which while less bloody than Vaal still abuse the thaumaturgy and fucks up the world again.

  • In UFO 50, the characters Amy and Alpha are the same person.

    Amy traps her little sister in the back room so she can throw a party (Party House + Mini & Max). Mini helps the Mol Duk civilization of mold-people, and hears their prophecy that they'll become a technologically advanced people (Mini & Max). An unnamed friend of Amy gets kidnapped by a man who has become an infested mold zombie after drinking Mol Duk tea (Night Manor) given to him by a therapist (probably one of the counselors from Party House). Amy and friends fight a zombie apocalypse, get abducted by aliens, beat up the aliens, and continue their journey, presumably keeping the flying saucer (Fist Hell). The Mol Duk people become Woogie's species (Onion Delivery; yes it was Earth all along). Amy escapes the planet using the space ship, then goes on a series of adventures under a new assumed name, Alpha (Velgress, Overbold, Pingolf, Quibble Race). Further evidence for this is that both Amy and Alpha have wildly inconsistent hair color from game to game.

  • Mario was actually a high profile lawyer with a love of turtles and a hobby of mushroom hunting. He was on his way to a sentencing hearing for a case that was going to be the pinnacle of his career when he was hit by a drunk driver. Every Mario game takes place in his mind while he lays in hospital in a coma.

  • Not necessarily my favorite but the one I can think of off the top of my head is that Monster Hunter Is a Post apocalyptic society, recovering after the kingdom of Schrade was demolished by fatalis around (my minimum estimate) a millennia ago. Due to a War between monsters and Humans/wyverians (which was devastating in of itself and unleashed countless horrors on the land like the equal dragon weapon (the thing that caused fatalis to decide to destroy everything)) that being said this is unconfirmed lore from MH1

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