Public Firehose Project Shutters After Backlash
FediOnFire, a Fediverse project similar to Firesky, which offers an IRC-like view of the global firehose, has shut down after a misunderstanding led to community backlash.
Shit like this is why I have a very dim hope for the fediverse ever expanding into the mainstream.
News flash you dwebs, if it is on ActivityPub, it is not private, there is no encryption.
If you read the article, it really makes the fediverse look like a shithole. Someone on here uploaded csam to take down a project they didnt like. Wtf?
I mean... if you spend time actually discussing the fediverse, it IS a shitshole. We drove off fucking Alec of Technology Connections for crying out loud.
It is the problem any message board had where the "old guard" get really pissy when they see new people who aren't making the same in jokes and deferring to them at every step. So you have endless bullying and shitposting and so forth to make sure they understand "the community".
Mastodon is still awesome if you mostly get ignored by them but it goes to shit REAL fast once they see people are having fun and it doesn't involve them. Been scaling back over the past few months as a result.
Lemmy is doing a bit better. In large part because most of the horrors are confined to the tankie servers. But you still get the groups of people who make the olde reddit "I am technically correct and you will respect that" crowd seem to be not that bad. It is kind of depressing when the best outcome is often that someone posts a complete non sequitor and then wanders off rather than ACTUALLY have a conversation about the implications of "AI" and astroturfing.
Fediverse users are not inherently good people. They're just people.
The fediverse is "the internet". Like, in conception, it's taking everything that's publicly available on the internet and making it auto-mirrorable-at-request.
So yes, on some fundamental level, it's a shit show. Because the internet is the worst of us.
Yeah, that was the Content Nation debacle: https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/
What's really sad is that the CN dev is actually a super nice and thoughtful dude. In his jurisdiction (Germany) he could've gone to prison after being caught with said materials.
Just bullies who unfortunately think they own the place.
This is more than bullies, this is criminal, child abuse.
it kind of is
Not really uploaded. There's plenty of mastodon instances which have open distribution of CSAM or Loli (A look at our blocklist on fediseer can show just how many there are. Non-risky link btw.). All one needed to do is use that service to retrieve one of those posts using its own search function.
That's fucking disappointing. Are mastodon users stupid or just on a which hunt? That poor dev worked hard to develop a project where they did something they though was cool, invested part of themselves in the project, then took the risk to release it publicly because they where proud of their work. And what fucking happens. They get shit on for no reason whatsoever.
Ik what its like I made !news_summary@lemmy.dbzer0.com put it in its own community so people didn't have to engage if they didn't want to. The amount of hate I got (from people who didn't understand the tech) saying it would do things it couldn't or that it was an ai grift (it has a fucking agpl licence).
Fuck everyone hating on this poor dev I'm gonna go send em some love on mastodon so they don't just give up on programming or sharing their art with the world.
The mindless GenAI hate is really off the scales on mastodon. I run a FOSS GenAI volunteer service and was trying to join a popular non-profit on mastodon and the non-profit itself got bulled so much that they dropped us. Some of those scolds even tried to bully me because I run the Fediseer.
Fortunately the lemmy crowd is a bit more reasonable with integrations like these.
It really feels like people are aggressively hostile to things they don't like or think are bad. The time and energy spent on hating against a FOSS project is just absurd.
Are mastodon users stupid or just on a which hunt?
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Are mastodon users stupid or just on a which hunt
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I don't like Gleason or nostr but this happened with mostr too lol, people were getting real up in arms accusing it of duplicating accounts, going so far as to DMCA the project. but that's literally how federation works, any account or post that's federated is cached on the instance lol. it's like people don't realize that their public posts are public
Same thing initially happened with BridgyFed: https://wedistribute.org/2024/02/tear-down-walls-not-bridges/
To be totally fair, nostr's whole thing is that users can delete all of their federated data if they want to, so it makes sense if they are upset about having their data copied to a place they can't control.
Not sure how realistic that is with the data being publicly accessible via the web, but I wouldn't be surprised if the they have some kind of license that gives the dmca request the ability to hold a nonzero amount of water. Then again, I wouldn't be suprised if completely fails, either.
nostr relays can comply with delete requests or not, same with fedi servers. pretty sure they all do though and relays don't share posts with each other. there's a couple of crawler services like nostr.band and noswhere for search and indexing, but if you delete your fedi post or don't post publicly it should be gone from mostr
There's a small, but extremely loud segment of the Mastodon userbase that seems to view presenting public posts in any manner that's different from how a vanilla Mastodon server does as an invasion of their privacy. There have also been a few projects that raised reasonable concerns about privacy and moderation, but this page doesn't seem to make a distinction.
It appears to contain misinformation about FediFirehose, which ran client side and just showed the output of a public relay.
It's not nearly a small enough segment, really. It's a fairly significant fraction of the pre-2022 population.
They were excited to see people show up after Musk bought Twitter, but it was a very "now you'll have to play by OUR rules!" kind of excitement.
Mastodon and witchunts, name a more iconic duo.
They derived their culture from twitter, one of the most toxic cesspools ever to fester.
Ah yes, the “federated” platform where most people don’t want their posts to be visible to anyone outside the platform.
If it's what it sounds like, I understand it and would want it shut down too.
It was literally an alternative UI for the https://mastodon.social/public feed
FediOnFire was a simple, public-facing project designed to showcase a firehose of public statuses across the network.
For... showing public comments on a live feed? How nefarious. /s
