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Grand Theft Auto VI and Grand Theft Auto Online Could Be Sold Separately; Rockstar Is Targeting Solid 30 FPS on Consoles, According to Former Animator

wccftech.com Grand Theft Auto VI and Grand Theft Auto Online Could Be Sold Separately; Rockstar Is Targeting Solid 30 FPS on Consoles, According to Former Animator

According to rumors, Grand Theft Auto Online will be sold separately from Grand Theft Auto VI, with a potential story mode upgrade for GTAO owners.

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Grand Theft Auto VI and Grand Theft Auto Online Could Be Sold Separately; Rockstar Is Targeting Solid 30 FPS on Consoles, According to Former Animator

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I feel like im the only person in the world who isnt excited for this game. I dont care for GTA, they just feel super clunky and sloppy to play. (I know, no one asked.)
- You're not the only one, friend. The only thing I care about is what sort of pricing hijinks they get up to, which could have industry-wide consequences.
- Spend 10 minutes trying to negotiate a doorway or ladder, and you call this clunky?!
- Yeah, no one plays GTA for the gameplay mechanics, they play them for the RP or the chaos, or both.
  
  I played GTA IV mostly because the mechanics were fucking awesome. The driving was incredible for an open world game like that. Euphoria was dope.
  The first seconds of the GTA V gameplay trailers hinted that they neutered the driving. Then they announced the driving was ported from a Midnight Club game and that was the last nail in the coffin for me.
  Tried the game once at a friend's house and the gameplay feel was so shit I never played it again. I knew I'd always be distracted by it.
  
  Like, I play clunky games like Arma 3 and DS2, but neither bother me to the amount GTA does. Maybe I just dont like the core gameplay or somethin.

I have to assume they're targeting 30fps because that would be using all the bells and whistles like raytracing and running at 4k on the consoles; which are unlikely to be able to achieve 60fps or higher with all that shit on.
And, as they have done with literally every single GTA since 3: It likely won't release on PC at the same time. It will come 1-2 full years later and when it does, will have more features and run at a higher frame rate.

Good Lord, so much marketing about "next-gen" yet 60 still ain't a guarantee 🤦‍♂️
- 30 fps wouldn't be bad if its consistent and stable, have you ever played on a low end PC at 15-22 fps?
  
  I grew up breaking games to make them run under minimum settings. Subnautica has (or at least had) a Dev menu or some shit that you could make the game look like utter arse.
  Got me like 18fps at 480p, worth it #playable for younger me.
  If I get under 100fps at 4k now I'm unhappy. How times change.
  
  Yeah I have, for a looong while. I understand a stable framerate is much better than a "high" one, but like, were not talking about a "Low-end" PC here, we're talking about the current, still marketed generation here.
  How come 30's still the target when all the marketing is talking about how powerful it is and how amazing the upscaling is? And it's a fixed target on top of all that, like common man
  
  Copium. We're well beyond the days when anything under 60 FPS is not cheap and lazy craftsmanship.
  
  the thing is "a pc" is very vague.
  you are probably talking about a pc several generations behind, in that case its awesome that the game even runs.

I don't do modern consoles, do people consider 30fps acceptable?
- The majority of people playing don't know the difference. I am shocked there won't be a 60fps mode, i can't remember the last time I've been forced to play at 30fps outside of playing older games locked to it.
  
  I would imagine the game is at the highest possible graphic fidelity for consoles, and also the scale of the game will have a factor.
  Remember. Gta V came out 12 years ago. It didn't run at 60fps on any console until the PS5
  
  RDR2
  
  It's not shocking, when you consider the level of graphical fidelity they'll be pushing on screen.
  The more detail you add, the lower the framerate, on any given hardware. They will be balancing "oh my God!" level graphics, with playable frame rates. The fact they're shooting for such a relatively low frame rate, shows how hard they're pushing the hardware.
- A stable 30 fps is perfectly playable for most people, yes
- Very rare to see 30fps games on PS5 that don't have a performance option to get to 60.
  Especially action games.
- Absolutely not. I don’t remember the last time I played a game without 60fps performance option on my PS5
  
  Same, even on my old GPU I'd adjust quality until I got stable 60, otherwise no thanks.
- Not me. I think it's insane to ship a PS5 game that performs that poorly even on non-"pro" consoles
- From what i have seen, 60fps is acceptable for High Settings, 30fps is acceptable when Ray tracing is turned on
- Most don't, the people who say they don't realize it probably also say that "there's no difference between 1080p and 4k!"
- For most people the further they sit away from a screen the less they are going to notice it. And console gamers play on a tv from the couch. Of course if you show them a 60fps version after they played in 30fps they will notice but most people don’t understand why that is and thus not care. Like how many people watch movies with motion smoothing on since they don’t see that it looks smoother than the movies in the cinema.
  Rockstar can get away with this since the vast majority of GTA player will be mainstream casual gamers that only have fifa/madden and CoD in their gaming collection.
- No, 40 and 50 look good enough though, idk why people like 30 as a standard
  
  It's a number that divides easily into 120, which mattered more for old TVs, and it's far enough over the threshold to trick our minds into seeing a bunch of still frames as a moving thing.
- Yes, 30fps is fine, and expected even if you're also expecting ultra realistic graphics. This expectation that people have of games being 60 fps and being stupid realistic is nonsense. You want realistic graphics and reflections when a game is first released, your gonna get 30 fps. And honestly, you can hardly tell the difference anyway.
  Edit: Always expect the downvotes when I say this. The people in gaming subs, almost never understand how games are developed. Just demand without understanding the limitations of hardware and software.
  
  Some games go to 120fps and are actually realistic.
  GTA was never about realism, it just had a huge open world with tons of things to do.

My 144 hz monitor has ruined my ability to enjoy normal refresh rates in games. I need a support group for this ffs.
- I need a support group for this ffps.
  Fixed that for ya 👍👍
  
  It just looks dirty like that.

30 fps
Lol, what kind of bullshit is this? 30 fucking fps. Unplayable garbage.
- you need 2 spaces and 2 enters after the first line to make it separate from the quote:
  sjeuwjeb78
  2djwu2hw8duj
  (yeah I know, formatting is really dumb)
  
  If there's is a reason for making it that way, it's not really dumb.
  
  Thanks, fixed it!

I hope so! I’m interested in buying the single player game, and have absolutely zero interest in the online experience.

Hey, maybe this time the script kiddies won't be able to sabotage people's SINGLEPLAYER GAMES!
- Maybe it'll also actually get sp dlc?

I played Oblivion at 8fps, bring it on
- Always looking down to get more FPS while walking around towns...
- I know that feel bro

Only way I buy this:
It is priced at 60 to 70 dollars (fuck that still hurts)
It has a solid OFFLINE story mode.
If they try pull 100 dollar bullshit or fill it with micro transactions then I am out. Also I will not pre order this game (I didn't with 5) I will wait until its out and I hear good things from the players.
Just like I did with 5. Had coworker who was bragging about the game every day. Finally and picked up a copy at Vintage Stock. This is the original PS3 version only one I have.
- Point 2 is the biggest for me. I haven’t played more than 30 minutes of gta5 online. Single player story is where it’s at. Wish we got more DLC.
  
  Same only tried it once was no fun. Yes they game was built to have multiple DLCs or hell lot more story could of been told.
- I'm tempted to hold out on the FOMO and wait for the inevitable PC release
- I think it will be 80 dollars, with bigger editions available, eg. including online mode. For me, the 30fps is the most annoying, I was never a performance fanatic, but I’m used to 60 now.
  
  What why they lower it? That make no sense with the new hardware of PS5 and Xbox Sx or whatever it's called.
- Genuine question, why is $100 too much for a quality game? Completely agreed on the micro transactions though
  
  Hm.. how much is too much, then? If 70% higher than the industry standard isn't too nuch
  
  If the biggest game of the decade charges $100, every triple A game will charge the same, and other games will probably be more expensive as well, and in most cases it'll be more money for the same steadily decreasing quality, at least in the triple A market.
  
  The only full price game I recall ever buying was Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (back when £35 was the standard "full price" price point). Now that one was worth it, but no other AAA game that I can think of has justified the cost to me. Once we're talking about that amount of money there's a lot of other things I would get more enjoyment from.
  I think I paid about £10 for GTA V. I'd maybe go to £15 or £20 these days, but beyond that I simply have other things I could play.
  
  Exactly. $100 is a lot of money, however games are cheaper than ever these days (adjusted for inflation) and $100 for no micro transactions sounds fair.
  On the other hand, I wouldn’t buy it at that price either. I‘d wait for a sale…

Remember, they released GTAV with 30FPS first to PS5 , then they sold an upgraded PS5 version @60FPS for an additional $10 (which is free on most games).
- That is incorrect. They added a bunch to that $10 upgrade.
  
  Like a simple switch to allow 60FPS on an already capable hardware?
- This is false information. GTA V was backwards compatible from the ps4 version which ran at 30fps. Then they released an upgraded ps5 version that ran at 60fps. It wasnt a bad deal either.
  
  Yeah but they still charged for the "upgrade". A lot of gaming companies give you the PS5 version of a game for free if you already own the PS4 version.

Bro if 30 fps is their target, I guarantee Switch 2 is going to get a version of this

If they intend to charge for GTA VI online, I will never play it
- I already never intend to play it. I only care about single player. Hopefully this means the game is cheaper.
- It'll be a healthy decision

I hope they release as independent games, with a bundle deal ideally.
I dont want to buy the multiplayer on console because i dont pay for console subscriptions just to play multiplayer. I will wait for a PC release to play purchase multiplayer once and not indefinitely pay for it.
- If they do it will be $60 for single player and $30 for online instead of $60 for everything.

Honestly I'm fine with this as long as the graphics justifies the framerate.
- I'm not. I don't have a tricked out PC to wait LONGER THAN MY SON HAS BEEN ALIVE for a 30 frames AAA game.
  That isn't AAA. It's pure corporate greed.
  
  This is going to be TARGETED 30fps for consoles...
  Your overpriced pc will probably go above that. Calm down

It's comment threads like this that just show how absolutely clueless G*mers are.

We'll get 60 and above on pc a while later anyway. Also the sold separately thing is probably just like they did with RDR2 where you could get everything or just the multiplayer part of the game, which I personally think is fine.

say it with me
EN SHITTI FICATION
- First off, that fake word sucks. Second, it doesn't really apply here anyway.
  
  it does
  rockstar like any ultracapitalistic brand loves money so much they'd do anything.
  30fps...because switch2...because money.
  i expect their onlinestuff to be prime ea lootbox and ai upsell shit. get a yacht for 1 million.
  and again a like gta5 and 4...a story so superficial it will intrigue all the 15yr old alphamales and ppl that never grew up.
  why dont you just join this milc metaverse stuff? more enshittification without the extra hurdles.

idc as long as it's not coming to PC. Don't need GTA online anyway.

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