5d ago

Now federal employees can't even use pronouns in their emails.

www.dailykos.com Now federal employees can't even use pronouns in their emails

Employees at several federal agencies were ordered Friday to remove their pronouns from any email signatures and grant applications, according to internal memos obtained by ABC News. The memos ...

The Center Square: Federal employees reportedly told to remove pronouns from email signatures.

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Name is Alex/Jordan/Leslie
Not allowed to clarify gender
- Wouldn’t the world be better off if no one knew each others gender? If you’re a cis man and find yourself attracted to another man? Congrats you’re gay now.

I → (the) speaker/writer
you → (the) listener/reader, pl. (the) audience
they → that person, pl. those people
The writer believes that such an idea is quite stupid. In fact, the writer believes that the audience will find this language extremely obtuse. These methods will only cause more pain to the federal employees in question.
- Don't forget pronouns like who, mine, and ours. In fact, here's a list of >100
  Someone should write a script that completely replaces these with BS standins
- I think we need a tool that automatically rewrites text to remove all pronouns, but I'm not even sure that is possible.

How does this hold up against a first amendment test?
- When "What Trump wants goes" is all the Supreme Meme Court cares about
- Well like any other employee, you can say whatever you like, but you might get fired for it.
  I don't see how the first ammendment applies here.
  That said, I think this is a stupid and mean spirited order. It is by design trying to continue the exodus of federal employees while also the tyrannical denial of being able to identify people however they find appropriate for themselves.
  
  Well it's not a private entity hiring them, it's the actual govt. Usually the defense is that those are private companies and they can do what they want but that doesn't apply here
  
  Because their employer is the US Government. The very entity the 1st Amendment protects us from.
- It'll never have to

nul42 would stop using pronouns completely and just use genderless nouns or proper names instead.

This is just begging for malicious compliance.
You want to eliminate an entire part of speech? Then good luck trying to understand what the fuck my email is trying to say.
- In the article it specifies you to remove pronouns from your email signature. Definitely less fertile ground for malicious compliance, but it's still doable.
  
  End every email body with "For your response, I am referred to using (feminine/masculine/any/whatever) pronouns"
- You
  FUCKING PRONOUNCE turns red and screams
- Does the reader want to eliminate an entire part of speech? Then good luck trying to understand what the fuck the writer’s email is trying to say.
  Could be fun. I bet ChatGPT could automate it.
  
  DeepSeek can automate it
  
  Does the reader want to eliminate an entire part of speech?
  Which one are they going to outlaw next? Verbs? Or Adjectives?
  
  Exactly... Maybe have a boilerplate disclaimer at the top of each email that does include pronouns, just explaining that the following email has had all pronouns removed so as to comply with the new rule.

So is it alright to just assume trump is female? The email signature no longer states her preferred pronouns, so I think this is what she wants?
- She did sign that executive order designating everyone as female, too.

So, rather than make it.a choice, the Reich Wing is anti-choice. As typical.

Oh no what a shame

Use of pronouns outlawed. Now they have to say “that person” or call them by their name.

my new bio: (masculine neutral/masculine possessive)
- but they banned mentioning gender, change it to (identifying with the societal archetype of the sex producing the small reproductive cell)
- my new bio: (masculine neutral/masculine possessive)
  Isn’t it nominative/objective?
  I don’t see “he/his” or “they/their,” I see “he/him” and “they/them.”
  
  I put all of them in, ie he/him/his... just to remove ambiguity.
  And pronouns remain in my sig. Ain't going anywhere.
  
  Probably! Been a long time since I’ve been to school.

I guess Trump doesn't want to be referred to as He/Him
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-appears-accidentally-declared-every-174749266.html
Hmmm, I see...

Hope you're not named Elle.
- Trump's idol **inrich ***mler would be offended too!
- Or He-Man

emails
\sigh
- shemails?

But why would a pronoun be in a signature? Something like Her Majesty, Patricia Jones, Dept. of Health?
- So people know how you would like to be addressed.
  
  Referred to. People are never addressed by their pronouns.
- Parker Smith
  She/Her
  Department of Defense Black Budget Coordinator
  867-5309 ext. 1
  Questions?

It says email signatures.
And good; it's ridiculous, virtue-signalling bullshit and you've got to let it go.
- It’s useful for people with unisex names like Taylor, Chris, or Jordan, especially in email, where you may not have any face-to-face contact.
  
  Or for people with names from cultures not associated with English naming standards such as Chinese or Indian cultures working in western companies or governments.
  Pop quiz anti-pronouners! 星辰 Xīng Chén, girl or boy? 美莉 Měi Lì, girl or boy?? Would you like to buy a pronoun now?
  
  Yes, that's a reasonable position.
- You fuckers need to let your vice-signaling go. Funny how "freedom" to ignore pronouns quickly gives way to banning them. The only freedom you guys seem to care about is the freedom to be ignorant pieces of shit.
  
  Yeah, turns out reality is more nuanced than that.
- I'm been told that it is not just virtue-signaling (it is), but that it is also a virtue (allyship) in action. Normalizing sharing that information make it easier for people that have a more complex relationship with their gender than I do.
- And good; it’s ridiculous, virtue-signalling bullshit and you’ve got to let it go.
  You're expressing a VERY strong negative reaction on words in an email signature. Why are you so threatened by what someone puts in their email signature? How does it challenge or change what you are that you've put so much thought into it to get this angry about it?
  
  Because it's very, very silly identity politics and the majority of people agree. You've got to let it go and focus on important things, like the insane and ever-increasing wealth inequality.

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