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AI Training

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OpenAI when they steal data to train their AI: 😊🥰
OpenAI when their data gets stolen to train AI: 🤯😡🤬
- They stole it first fair and square
  
  It's just the British museum all over again.
- I made this.

The big difference is Deepseek is open sourced, which ALL of these models should be because they used our collective knowledge and culture to create them.
I like AI but the single biggest issue is how it is being gated off and abused by Capitalists for profit (It's kind of their thing).
- Open-weighted*
  
  Can you elaborate on what you mean, for a layman?
  
  Yeah. That is true.
- Artists use our collective knowlege and culture in the same way. Its just some of them are whiny and complain when ai does their job faster and cheaper.
- I wouldn’t say it’s the biggest issue. Even if access was free, we’d still have to contend with the extreme energy use, and the epistemic chaos of being able to generate convincing bullshit much quicker than it can be detected and flagged.
  I think it’s a harmful product in general. We’re polluting our infosphere the same way we polluted our ecosphere, and in both cases there’s still folks who think “unequal access to polluting industries” is the biggest problem.
  
  All the data centers in the US combined use 4% of the electric load, and one of the main upsides to deepseek is that it requires much less energy to train (the main cost).
  
  The energy use isn't that extreme. A forward pass on a 7B can be achieved on a Mac book.
  If it's code and you RAG over some docs you could probably get away with a 4B tbh.
  ML models use more energy than a simple model, however, not that much more.
  The reason large companies are using so much energy is that they are using absolutely massive models to do everything so they can market a product. If individuals used the right model to solve the right problem (size, training, feed it with context etc. ) there would be no real issue.
  It's important we don't conflate the excellent progress we've made with transformers over the last decade with an unregulated market, bad company practices and limited consumer Tech literacy.
  TL;DR: LLM != search engine
  
  You're right about this. I was commenting in the context of "intellectual property".
  
  we’d still have to contend with the extreme energy use,
  Meanwhile people running it on Raspberry PI: "I made it consume 1W less, which is 30% improvement!"
  and the epistemic chaos of being able to generate convincing bullshit much quicker than it can be detected and flagged.
  It's been this way long before modern AI.
  
  The infosphere already turned to shit over 10 years ago when the internet started consolidating towards a few super large companies.
  
  I love that the anti-AI crowd is struggling to update their talking points after DeepSeek has made most of them irrelevant.
- Exactly. DeepSeek Mr Bean is shading the answers with everyone. Not hoarding them for his own gain.

unpopular opinion: humans are a deeply mimetic species, copying is our very essence and every limitation to it is entirely unnatural and limiting human potential.

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Artists do the same shit and demand money for it.
- Artists create original content.
  
  All art is derivative.
  
  No. They create derivations of content they consumed prior. Most of them will even post their “inspirations” along with their derivations. And no one gives a shit.
- Demand money for their work? THE AUDACITY OF THEM BITCH, THEY SHOULD WORK FOR FREE.
- Other people have used the words you wrote in other contexts before, therefore you stole their words.
  Oh God, so did I! I'm doing it right now! I'm going to jail!
- If is shit, then stop consuming it. (no movies, no comics, no series, no books, NO ART)
  OR
  If is worthless then anyone can easily do it. Just create that yourself, BUT without using a program who steal and mix-up previous artworks. You don't need that, right?
  But ofk you work for free, right?
  
  I don’t really. I don’t go to or buy any of those. Haven’t in decades. “Artists” like to think WAAAAAAY to highly of themselves and their work.
  
  I don't consume "art" from people who complain about AI "art" as I don't buy furry commissions.
- There's a fundamental difference between a person learning from other people, and machines learning from other people, because the latter can be copied infinitely. One person can only generate so much output, while the machine can be scaled horizontally.
  
  Irrelevant Human exceptionalism. Just because something is copyable doesn’t inherently make it worse. Just as something being difficult to obtain doesn’t make it inherently better.
- Artists demanding money: “YOU BETTER PAY ME FOR THIS STUFF OR ELSE I’M GONNA… gonna… Idk, keep making it for free I guess?”

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