Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

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Come on, OP, Altman is still a billionaire. If he got out of the game right now, with OpenAi still unprofitable, he'd still have enough wealth for a dozen generations.
- He's a billionaire based on the valuation of OpenAI, if the company fizzles so does his wealth.
  
  🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

I tried DeepSeek, and immediately fell in love.. My only nitpick is that images have to have text on them, otherwise it complains, but for the price of free, I'm basically just asking for too much. Contemporaries be damned.

Altman didn’t really make his money from tech. He’s basically a magic bean seller. He’ll be fine no matter what happens to AI. He’ll find a new grift and new suckers (famously one born every minute after all)
- I'm sure he will, but at least this grift has run its course.

Free…aint nothing free in this world!
- All things cost your money, your data, or your soul. And those at the top love nothing more than to trick us into paying all three at once

The bubble must be repaired. Pump more cash in!

What's a deepseek? Sounds like a search engine?
- Deepseek is a Chinese AI company that released Deepseek R1, a direct competitor to ChatGPT.
  
  You forgot to mention that it's open source.
  
  Nice! What are they competing for? I'm new to this AI business thing.
  
  Deepseek is a Chinese AI company
  Oh. So, military, then.
- https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1

We doing paid promotions or something on Lemmy now? You sure seem to be pushing this DeepSeek thing pretty hard, op.
- That's right I'm a huge open source shill.
  
  None of this has anything to do with the model being open source or not, plenty of other people have already disputed that claim.

Deepseek collects and process all the data you sent to their LLN even from API calls. It is a no-go for most of businesses applications. For example, OpenAI and Anyhropic do not collect or process anyhow data sent via API and there is an opy-ouy button in their settings that allows to avoid processing of the data sent via UI.
- You can run 'em locally, tho, if their gh page is to be believed. And this way you can make sure nothing gets even sent to their servers, and not just believe nothing is processed.
  
  I got it running with ollama locally, works as advertised
  https://medium.com/@pedro.aquino.se/how-to-install-and-use-deepseek-r1-a-free-and-privacy-first-alternative-to-openai-save-c838d2e5e04a
- I'm too lazy to look for any of their documentation about this, but it would be pretty bold to believe privacy or processing claims from OpenAI or similar AI orgs, given their history flouting copyright.
  Silicon valley more generally just breaks laws and regulations to "disrupt". Why wouldn't an org like OpenAI at least leave a backdoor for themselves to process API requests down the road as a policy change? Not that they would need to, but it's not uncommon for a co to leave an escape hatch in their policies.
- DeepSeek is an open source project that anybody can run, and it's performant enough that even running the full model is cheap enough for any company to do.
  
  Since it's open source is there a way for companies to adjust so it doesn't intentionally avoid saying anything bad about China?
  
  It should be repeated: no American corporation is going to let their employees put data into DeepSeek.
  Accept this truth. The LLM you can download and run locally is not the same as what you’re getting on their site. If it is, it’s shit, because I’ve been testing r1 in ollama and it’s trash.
- Where do I find this opy ouy button? Sounds tasty

why are you so heavily and openly advertising Deepseek?
- Because it's an open source project that's destroying the whole closed source subscription AI model.
  
  I don't think you or that Medium writer understand what "open source" means. Being able to run a local stripped down version for free puts it on par with Llama, a Meta product. Privacy-first indeed. Unless you can train your own from scratch, it's not open source.
  Here's the OSI's helpful definition for your reference https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition
  
  So... as far as I understand from this thread, it's basically a finished model (llama or qwen) which is then fine tuned using an unknown dataset? That'd explain the claimed 6M training cost, hiding the fact that the heavy lifting has been made by others (US of A's Meta in this case). Nothing revolutionary to see here, I guess. Small improvements are nice to have, though. I wonder how their smallest models perform, are they any better than llama3.2:8b?
- I think deepseek opens up new efficient ways for LLM training which in turn increases competition.
- Paid influencers are subtle.
  
  🤡

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