Syrian mass graves show the worst abuses 'since the Nazis,' top prosecutor says
Syrian mass graves show the worst abuses 'since the Nazis,' top prosecutor says
“We are talking about a system of state terror," Stephen Rapp, former U.S. war crimes ambassador at large, said of how people lived in Syria under the Assad regime.
Summary
Mass graves uncovered in Syria after Bashar al-Assad’s overthrow reveal evidence of systematic atrocities, with over 100,000 people tortured and killed in what a top war crimes prosecutor described as the worst abuses “since the Nazis.”
Assad’s regime operated a “machinery of death,” involving mass disappearances, torture, and secret burials.
Rebel forces freed thousands of political prisoners, but many remain missing.
International efforts aim to document war crimes, though Assad, now in Russia, is unlikely to face trial.
Hard to say if they Palestinian holocaust when the zionists wont allow people to be recovered from the rubble, use mass graves, and have been clearing rubble and not adding to the body count at all. They are hiding the numbers. Even hiding as much as possible its still about 50k.
Since the Nazis? Cambodian genocide doesn't even get a look in, eh?
Finally, a comparison which doesn't fall flat on its face like much of the rest of this thread. The intensity in Cambodia was extreme, it was under four years and 1.5 to three million killed, tortured, experimented upon, you name it. Even with everything else assumed equal the Assads were way slower at doing things.
Or ISIS, literally in the same UN-recognised borders at the same time.
I'm gonna chalk it up to this guy being a lawyer prosecuting a case.
Has the US investigator seen this yet?
'All the cemeteries are full': Palestinians buried in a mass grave in Gaza
Both things can be bad.
They are both bad. But the Assad stuff is highlighted while Gaza is ignored. The selective standards are the problems.
Comparisons to the Holocaust are suddenly possible without anyone saying "no the Holocaust was when people were burned so Gaza is not a Holocaust". No semantics warriors show up to defend Assad.
Have they been in a prison where they were regularly and systematically tortured, and that for decades, before they ended up in those bags?
Not even a fucking month has passed and people with .ml accounts are already trivialising Assad. Tankies gotta stick to their own, I guess.
Do not give them the satisfaction of being placed in the same category as their celebrity crushes. Assad is nothing like a goofy conspiracy theorist deep in the sheltered West.
Really? Nothing else since WWII has been this bad? I can think of three off the top of my head! Syria's neighbor is doing a holocaust right now. It's like they're pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.
After thinking about it, I've realized why they always use Nazis as the measuring stick: it's the last event of this type that the majority of Americans are familiar with.
Which I think says quite a bit about the education level of our populace
The Cambodian genocide was the systematic persecution and killing of Cambodian citizens by the Khmer Rouge under the leadership of Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot. It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly 25% of Cambodia's population in 1975 (c. 7.8 million) reducing the nation's life expectancy to a staggering 12 years in 1975.
You’re angry about a headline that abbreviates the actual story.
The very first paragraph of the article:
Mass graves uncovered in Syria in the days since President Bashar al-Assad wasoverthrown are exposing evidence of some of the worst abuses since the Nazis, a top international war crimes prosecutor said. [emphasis mine]
The article agrees with you. It’s only the headline that doesn’t.
This kind of anger and engagement at headlines is exactly what the media thrives off of. Don’t let them win by doing just that.
I agree with your point but I think the Palestinian genocide is a bad example. Imo better examples from the top of my mind: the Rwandan and Cambodian genocides likely were far worse both in absolute numbers and as a % of the population, and the policies of Maoist China got many more people killed.
Yes, nothing.
No one here is claiming what Israel is doing isn't horrible (hell, you're the only one bringing it up). But, this is worse. Wild how there can be more than one bad thing and one being worse doesn't make the other one not bad, isn't it?
Don't argue with a .ml user when they move the goalposts to be "America bad" without any context. It's a losing battle.
This isn't worse! The official death toll is a massive undercount, the real death toll is probably in the same order of magnitude.
It's going to take some time (and digging) to find out.
However... events that unfolded in Cambodia will almost certainly have exceeded what is going to be discovered in Syria.
Most likely the same can be said about things that happened in Indonesia.
Events that continue to happen in North Korea may possibly exceed - once the place collapses and access becomes possible - which may take a century - what Bashar and his father managed to organize.
The Russians never stopped doing such things. Before, during and after WW2.
Yeah, from what I've gathered, Putin has enslaved and trafficked his own people (and in some cases killed and grave robbed them) for money and blackmail. Remember the monkey torture video rings? Well, it seems like Putin was doing that with his own people along with prisoners and trafficked people from other countries, to make every kind of video you could think of, to sell to influential people worldwide to gain blackmail on them. He also likely had irl experiences that people like Trump engaged in.
In Michael Wolff's Fire&Fury podcast and book, he asserts Russia has pictures of Trump with topless minors. Katie Johnson also said he raped her and another girl when they were 13 and 12, and hit them afterwards for not performing good enough. This is absolutely a man who would engage in disturbing behavior overseas, and Epstein himself called Trump depraved and said there was nothing he couldn't do. You can listen to Epstein himself say it in the podcast.
There's also the Active Measures documentary with John McCain and Hilary Clinton. And Unger's book American Kompromat.
So yeah, it's likely the snuff videos from Russia you'd see on 4chan and Instagram were state sponsored media meant to get money and blackmail. It's likely the extreme Russian torture videos were state sponsored. It's likely that Tulsi, Elon (who admitted in court this year he has a kink roleplay account on X of his toddler XAE, who he took to meet Erdogan and keeps kidnapped from his mom), JDolphin Vance, RFK Jr, Tucker "a demon scratched me in bed not my dogs and no Putin isnt blackmailing me to say this as a wink towards what im being blackmailed for" Carlson, and all the rest, have SERIOUS SERIOUS blackmail on them.
All at the expense of Russian people and enslaved people.
Israel hasn't killed over 100,000 yet. Gaza is a lot smaller than Syria or Europe.
The official toll isn't over 100,000 (can't count people under the rubble) but estimates put it over 100,000 i.e. same order of magnitude. Gaza being smaller just makes these estimates even more horrifying.
But also, not just talking about Gaza. Lots of other atrocities have lead to mass death on this scale and larger.
I don't think we need to play Topp Trumps Genocide Edition. Can we just agree that it's horrific what Assad (and by extension, Putin) have been doing in Syria?
You must not know what the definition of "worst" means.
I really hope that there can be some sort of coalition for peace and recovery among the various Syrian forces now that Assad is out of power.
Mmm. We all know how this is going to go.
The "good guys" are all of a sudden going to see the potential to have power over others, and then feel entitled to do whatever they can to maintain and expand that power.
Before long, we have another Assad regime that's different in name only.
It's a cultural problem, and greed is the root of it all.
oh dear
So really really bog standard socialist stuff.
Why didn't they compare it to Stalin? His worst abuses were after Nazis and it would've tracked more anyway because of the political angle and because both Stalin and al-Assad committed crimes on their "own people".
The Ba'ath Party is as socialist as the nazi party. Hint: not at all.
Genuinely curious, though. Socialism is when the workers own the means of production; How would that cause genocide in your opinion?
Socialism is when death machine 🤡🤡🤡
Yea, but it's different because it's owned by the people collectively 🤡🤡🤡
Only brown people can be Nazis
I sympathize with the message you want to bring across, what they do in Israel could never be the worst since the Nazis because they’re like us, they’re the only dem… I can’t even write that out because it’s such a propaganda lie, but yeah I get that.
On the other hand let me just agree with the other guy that there are just shitty and shittier dictatorships in the Middle East. Some of them are aligned with the US, some with Russia, all of them are corrupt motherfuckers who belong in jail. Arab leaders have collectively betrayed their people and who knows if that region will ever be free of imperialist forces.
Jail would be a mercy for those bastards. Fuck anyone who supports any dictator here.
Remember folks, criticizing Israel is anti-semitism! Uncle Bibi told us so.
GOP: hold my beer
Are americans just not able to not bring up US politics in articles literally unrelated in any way? I'm pretty sure massacres, concentration camps, kidnappings, child soldiers, rapes, and ethnic cleansings are a little worse than trump's 4 year term.
All of that, just for wanting freedom and democracy. But it seems you people have a persecution fetish. Kinky.
PS: I don't support republicans, they are fascists, and i'm not saying that trump's term will be all fine and dandy, but it doesn't even compare to this.
I feel bad for people like you sometimes. I promise you the republicans are not going to create mass graves with up to 500,000 dead
I think we can all agree (at least I hope) that any amount of genocide is bad
Robert Kennedy wants to bring back Polio.
The Trump presidency will be littered with corpses.
I would much rather be surrounded by the people you're surrounded by than keep hearing those exact promises out of the people I'm surrounded by.