Get the frozen pre-made meal or just make it yourself?
I have this argument with my wife often. I like to cook, and for me cooking is more than taking frozen meatballs and dumping them into a pan full of jar pasta sauce. I would rather make the sauce, maybe have some meatballs made in advance. My wife seems to think that pre-made stuff or mixes are the way to go. I would rather just make pancakes scratch, which isn't hard, where she would rather I just open the mix, add water, and make the food. But I do agree that having a frozen lasagna is better than taking the full effort when I just want to get dinner going. So where are your eat the pre-made vs make it from scratch?
Yeah, I personally despise cooking. I'll do anything to get my meal the quickest and with the least amount of effort and mess possible. I don't see the big deal. If people want to cook from scratch, go ahead. I'm just not going to be the one to do it. Why does it matter if one person prefers to cook one way and one person prefers the other?
Edit: If it's specifically pancake mix that OP's wife prefers, maybe there is something about the flavor that she likes better with it. My brother also weirdly prefers instant mashed potatoes over homemade...even if he is not the person making them. With certain things, some people just have a preference it seems.
Some people don't like leftovers, I can only figure their experience with leftovers has always been bad.
I love having leftovers around, but I make a pot of good stuff with plans for the leftovers. Some things are never leftovers because they don't hold well (anything with leeks or tarragon for example).
My experience with leftovers growing up was having to eating my mom's terrible cooking again when it wasn't even good fresh. As an adult I love them because I like my own cooking and it means I get to skip a few nights a week.
My wife is definitely team 'make it from scratch'.
She is also a very slow cook. We also have an infant that is currently taking up 110% of our time.
It's hard for me to justify spending two hours a night preparing a lunch for the next day. She likes to sleep in, so I never get to eat it fresh.. it's always leftovers.
I don't mind cooking something fresh for lunch or dinner, but I'll do something that takes 20 minutes of prep and then take care of itself on the stove or in the oven. Chilli, pot roast, or a casserole.
I think frozen dinners probably have a better balance of protein/carbs/veg than either of us makes, and at half the price.
I would prefer to make it from scratch. But it's usually cheaper to use frozen and I'm a broke bitch, so that's usually what I have.
Pancakes definitely don't matter. They're easy because it's just mixing a few powders and some milk or water and egg. Why not just buy those powders already mixed with a binder? Unless it's Bisquick. Fuck Bisquick pancakes. They're just flat dinner biscuits!
I only buy krusteaz for pancakes. I don't really think the amount of effort it would take to hand-make a similar batter would be worth it, nor would it taste remarkably better.
Though, for actual food, I have the same sentiment as you. I like to cook and experiment, and I have a fairly easy time adjusting things by taste, but I don't have the time/energy/money to be doing everything from scratch.
Hard disagree. I don't want 1/2 C of high fructose corn syrup, emulsifiers and preservatives in my pancakes, thanks!
1.5 C flour, 1/2 Tsp salt, 3 Tsp baking powder, 1 egg, 1/4 C butter, then whole milk until you get the consistency you like. Best pancakes ever. People who need pancakes to basically be a vehicle to pour pure sugar into their mouth haven't had good 'cakes.
I'd like to make these pancakes you describe.
I'm assuming you melt the butter first before mixing it in? Roughly how much milk is a good starting point?
I used to make Bisquick pancakes all the time, and recently changed to a name brand just add water kind because I tried it for camping once and realized it tastes just as good as the Bisquick, or good enough. I'm assuming that's because Bisquick pancakes are also not actually that good, based on others in this thread.
I like convenience, but I also like good food. I'm gonna make both and do a blind taste test with the wife.
Pancake mix in particular benefits from the large scales at which the pre-mixed stuff is made. Measuring out those smaller proportions of dry powders precisely and accurately is much more difficult at home even if you opt for using a scale instead of measuring cups. Just read the ingredients list to avoid the brands that may include the extra binders and other ingredients you want to avoid.
It does make a huge difference to have a decent mix and Bisquick isn’t filled with all the crap of a standard mix. But remember Bisquick isn’t really a pancake mix: it’s a baking convenience combining a handful of common ingredients in common proportions. If you don’t want the convenience, do it yourself. It doesn’t really even take more time but you have to have the ingredients on hand.
While I like the flatter style pancakes, if you want fluffier, thicker, make some bacon. Seriously, if you give a little time for the mix to do its thing, Bisquick will fluff right up. Make the mix, cook some bacon, put the pancakes on: bingo, fluffy pancakes
Cooking from scratch is almost always going to be less expensive, better tasting, and healthier.
Cooking with pre-made ingredients is often faster and easier.
For me, the decision is often predicated on how much energy I have. Sometimes prepping all the ingredients and the resulting cleanup feels like an impossible undertaking. Which is a shame because I'm a good cook - but sometimes I hate cooking.
Meal prepping or making batch meals is often a happy medium. Homemade food that you can later just reheat. If anybody has tips for making it feel less like I'm eating leftovers all the time, I'm happy to hear them
This is us basically. Though we're pretty busy, so we usually try to cook 2 maybe 3 meals a week, and eat the leftovers on the days in between.
Don't get me wrong, we cook good stuff, we just purposely make a lot. I'm not going through all that effort for one tiny meal, unless it makes sense to do so, like we won't be home for meal times or something so it would go bad.
But we keep some premix stuff around, and I have a few fast but not so healthy scratch recipes I can whip up in a jiffy. That's usually us on Tuesday nights.
I've got one where I literally just throw rice, chix broth, frozen precooked (by me) chicken, frozen mixed veggies, and garlic/other spices into a rice cooker. That way I can just slap it together, jump in the shower, and eat quick before leaving again. Sometimes life is just that way.
I try to make everything from scratch, but sometimes I make pre made when I know I'm avoiding eating because I don't feel like cooking. If I make pre made though, I'll always add something to it to bulk it out. Ramen? Handfuls of frozen veg. Frozen pizza? Slap mushrooms, peppers, onions on top. Pasta sauce? Spinach, homemade stock, and carrots.
To me, its about health. I know processed food isn't healthy, so I want to mitigate the damage.
I have two suggestions: homemade pre-made, and why not both.
You can pre-make things like pancake mix, taco seasoning, pasta sauce seasoning, etc. write any instructions on the ziplock bag or container.
Instant items from a box or bag can usually be dressed up with fresh foods. If she’s cooking then offer to prep fresh items.
Also, respect that some people simple have no patience for cooking and don’t want to learn any. Communicate with each other to understand how to make it work.
I don't know if it's just where I am in life but I... I just can't be fucked to do stuff man, I'm too ADHD, depressed, autistic, busy, stressed, whatever I don't know.
I buy canned tomato sauce from Sam's Club and meatballs. It's actually reasonably good sauce, they usually have some decent pasta on offer of some variety. That's about as much as you can really ask of me at this point in my life.
I would like to cook more as it just tastes way better (and is much more healthy), but I'm always exhausted especially after work. I suppose my answer is that right now I'm eating a lot of prepared (refrigerated or frozen) food, but would prefer home-cooked meals.
If you can, just do one pot of something that makes leftovers that hold well and are easy to reheat. After you get one thing, it gives you some breathing room for the next couple days.
I try to make a big pot of something on Sundays, so I don't have to think about cooking Monday, maybe Tuesday. That gives me a little breathing room. I also make stuff I can portion and freeze - again, gives me a little breathing room.
Last week I was under the weather for 4 days, I just grabbed stuff out of the freezer and threw it in the toaster oven. Zero effort for my sick self. Now I need to restock what I used.
As someone who's only read the title, I don't think I'd like this book.
I've made bread before, a lot actually. Many kinds with different flours.
But I've used yeast for years because I couldn't have added phosphorus due to kidney failure (which baking powder has in it). I've also had other less commonly used raising agents like cream of tartar and yogurt. I also made it by hand because could not afford a bread machine or had the space for it. It's extremely messy.
That said, if you're using baking powder and a bread machine, you might as well just get bread from the store. You're just doing the same as a factory does really. And I'm some cases maybe worse since some factory bread is made with yeast instead anyway.
If you want fresh bread, you can in most cases just go to a bakery section too these days, from what I remember when I lived in the USA. In EU basically every store has a bakery section with bread made daily tho.
Pro tip, make the premade stuff. Make like a gallon of pasta sauce and freeze/can it all. Make like 5 pounds of meatballs and freeze them.
I like to make my pasta sauce when I can, from tomatoes. If you are a fast chopper, it goes by really quickly. Super thin slice it, add some diced enough, maybe some shredded carrot and celery, add some crushed garlic, salt, pepper and some seasonings. In around an hour or so you will have made a bunch of it.
Also look for professional advice for canning, cause idk if my way is the safest. I boil some water in the can in the microwave, dump it then add the pasta sauce, and close it really tight with an oven mitt.
I also grind my own meat, with just a knife. Dice the meat into small cubes and mince it for a while. I do it until it can form a cohesive meatball. Also consider what you'll use it for, if its just being tossed in a bolognese sauce, it doesn't need to be so fine.
You can make pizzas ahead of time too, roll the dough, add marinara, mozzarella and wrap it in foil and put it in the freezer.
I make my own stock too. I'll collect bones and veggie scraps in a freezer bag, and when it's full, I dump it in a slow cooker, set it and forget it. The store bought stuff is basically just water. If it's tasteless, it's baseless.
I've also frozen lasagna portions too, fully cooked. If raw its impossible to cook them without completely de-thawing them.
I also have a box of instant cake batter I mixed together myself. It's like a year old but it's still not terrible!
Most of the time I wish the nutrients would just enter my system without me ever having to think or do anything about it. So I get as close to that as possible.
On days when I feel like this, the two most important pieces of equipment are a rice maker and an air fryer. Now I can have chicken breasts over rice at the touch of a few buttons.
take a look at how much sodium too much instant rice has, plus it’s overly processed to make it quick. With the rice maker it might take 15-20 minutes but all I do is pour rice and water in and press the button…. Much better than instant and no sodium. This is what converted me from a potato guy to a rice guy.
air fryer gets a bad rep because it’s only the chicken tenders and fries labeled with directions, but it does a great job with chicken breasts or thighs - just press the button and wait for it to ding!
Apparently, OP's wife prefers the taste of the pre-made stuff, because it reminds her of her mother's cooking. But yeah, kind of a weird info to omit...
Having a frozen lasagne is better than taking the full effort when...
Last month i made two lasagnas in one day and had none of it. I cut them up in pieces and froze them into 24 pieces. Now we have home made lasagna for those days where we dont feel like cooking dinner. It really does not need to take too much time and if you enjoy it, there is no need to not do it.
Sometimes I don't have the motivation to cook, sometimes I do. Sometimes I have the motivation to get shit done that isn't in the kitchen. Throwing a pizza in the oven can buy me an extra hour of working on something else because I don't have to come in early to wash up, prep, cook, then wash the damn dishes.
My stance is that if you make it from scratch then you know exactly what is in it. If you buy premixed then you don't. Even worse if you buy pre cooked or even frozen after cooking then you're basically eating like if you'd eat reheated leftovers, half of the flavour which makes it taste good is gone.
If time is a problem I can live with not having the most of the flavour, but otherwise I totally enjoy the fresh made.
Your way is always going to be significantly healthier. Among other issues I think you'll find eating food your wife prefers puts you both well over the recommended sodium intake for a day. This is likely to shorten your life due to heart health.
The healthiest way to shop is to stick to the outside of the super market and skip the packaged foods in the middle.
Nostalgia or not, eating packaged food to often is very unhealthy. Maybe broach it with your wife and ask her if you can satiate her nostalgia in moderation. Having something she really loves out of a package only once or twice a week.
No, it’s really not. If you read the label you might be surprised how often just one meal puts you over your max recommended daily amount, and by how far.
Excessive sodium has a much stronger and well proven connection to health problems and early death than most of the other crud in boxed slop
Your health says avoid pre-made mixes as much as possible. I'm no salt-phobe (insufficient salt is a greater concern for 99% of people than too much), but even I shy away from the insane amounts of salt/sodium in anything packaged. Some stuff has more sodium in it than anyone should have in a day.
Plus, pre-made mixes often aren't anywhere near as good as making something yourself, and usually more expensive, even allowing for your own time.
There are exceptions of course, but I have spreadsheets to calculate costs of mixes, meals, you name it, and it's rare when something is cheaper to buy pre-made.
Dishwasher detergent powder is the same cost as making myself. As is onion soup mix, gravy mix powder, etc. Most other mixes I make as I go along - making chili uses a mix of different spices which I keep on hand. And I have 3 different chili recipes that use different spice mixes, and the end result is very different. I have a few recipes like this (creole/Cajun for example), that technically use the same spices, but not the same mix, and are very different for it.
I don't understand people like your wife (or one of my siblings) that seem to view eating as just something necessary, (bless their hearts 😁, as my southern family would say)...good food is crucial to me, it's not just something I do to get by. I mean it's something we have to do a few times every day of our lives. I want that experience to be as good as I can as often as I can.
Speaking of creole, I started making a roux for gumbo yesterday and burned it after prepping the veggies and meat. We are pizza last night. But today I'm doing the slow 4 hours in the oven roux so I don't mess it up again.
Roux is definitely a tough one. At least the ingredients are fairly cheap if you do mess it up, but damn you better be prepared to put in the work, endure the heat, and watch closely if you want to get it right. Damn tasty though.
It really depends. One specific shop near my home has good quality frozen meat pancakes and dumplings. Yeah I have made dumplings by hand some 20 years ago, but those frozen ones are simply better. Maybe I can do some exotic dumplings with a buckwheat flour and a lot of eggs, but that would not necessarily be better, just different.
On the other hand, pasta sauce prepared from scratch will always taste better than store-bought one, mainly because the stores here only sell ketchup and mayo, and pretty much all pasta sauce here is some variety of tomato concentrate with a bit of carrots.
anyone who seriously cooks will pick their battles. why make a cake from scratch when boxed mix is just as good. seriously, ask any pro baker.
premix or premade doesn't matter, as long as the end results are the same, good food that can be enjoyed.
if you like cooking because you make everything by scratch, go for it. just know the only reason why it tastes better is because you think it tastes better. when you get down to it, chemicals are chemicals, and cooking is a branch of chemistry.
Cooking from scratch is excellent... But there's also an extreme for how far you consider "cooking from scratch" to actually be "from scratch"...
For Example: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C76cACZB0oq/
Do you milk the cows yourself? Churn the butter? Etc.
I don't care either way, but too many premade meals I have bought in the past were gross and inedible to a point where I had to toss them and just make food from scratch. I just keep the supplies for a quick 1 pot Carbonara in my fridge at all times - it might not be super healthy, but it's always a predictable taste/texture and only costs about 1,50€ per Portion
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IMO the person doing the cooking should get to decide. Like any household chore, you don't tell the person doing it how to do it, you appreciate them doing it. Now asking them, would they make such and such how you like sometimes, is reasonable. Insisting isn't.
The pancake mix was a particularly stupid argument in my opinion. She said that's what her mom always made and she likes it. It's hard to argue against it since her mom has been passed for about 15 years now. She tried to pull nostalgia on me, and I don't have nostalgia for food.
I'm not really qualified to give marriage advice, but if you want to hear an opinion based on no real life experience anyway, here goes:
I'd personally just do the box mix for pancakes that she wants, if it is something particular and special for her, as a show of good faith, and cook other meals the way you like, as long as you are the one cooking.
I get it. I'm the same way about instant mashed potatoes because that's what my grandma always made and that's just how mashed potatoes should be (to me). Not a fan of real ones really the texture is just off. I can't speak to pancakes because I can't think of any pancakes I've ever had that really stand out from any others but it could be something like that. Pancakes certainly don't seem to be worth arguing over to me.
As others say, premades are generally less healthy and carry more preservatives like sodium. I personally keep them on hand anyway in case I need something in a pinch, but even then I have a few easy meals if foods are stocked (like carbonara, which i make tonight!)
If you do go frozen for the wife, be sure to check what you're getting. My step father has been having heart issues lately and I don't think he realized his diet of mostly frozen dishes were putting him at like 300%+ daily intake of salt.
My partner hates cooking, and I love it, so the deal in our house is I cook and they do all the cleaning in the kitchen, unless I made something specifically for me, since they have some medical issues that prevents them from eating certain things, then I will do the cleaning of the mess made during the preparation of cooking that specific meal.
As far as cooking from scratch or pre-made, I'm about half and half. I rarely make my own red sauce or pasta, but all baking is from scratch, breakfast foods like pancakes, yes I would make those from scratch as well. Soups, stews, chili, Asian, Mexican, Indian recipes, mostly from scratch, but many sauce elements I would buy.
Depends on how much I care about that particular meal and leftovers vs the effort. This includes stocking separate ingredients.
I definitely love prepared frozen vegetables like shredded potatoes for hash browns, frozen cut broccoli, etc. that just need heated up. I also buy pasta instead of making it myself, although there is a chicken and noodles recipe that I have made fresh noodles for. But not for spaghetti, or even lasagna even if the rest of the lasagna is assembled manually.
But I do tend to make my own diced and slow cooked peppers (mix of colorful bell peppers and jalepenos) that I will use to top scrambled eggs just because I find it fun.
Whenever we order out, when I don't have the energy to cook my son orders the gross pasta that cost 15€ and complain afterwards I do it better.
Today I did not want to cook, so he wanted to order the carbonara.... if you would serve that to an Italian they would rather jump into the Vesuvius than eat it. I just skip the meal anyway because ordering out is not satisfying to me.
So damn it, made him a take away style tortellini with spinache and ricotta, shrimp (out of the freezer) and cream with fresh herbs, and on top mozzarella out of the oven, then salmon filet on skin out of a skillet, in compound butter on young salad leaves with a mildly sweet and sour garlic vinaigrette. This is cheaper than the 15€ take away. Took me half an hour, but I am a trained chef.
I do freeze prepared meals though, but I say fresh food over anything else. I certainly don't buy any prefab from the supermarket, mostly. I did cheat on the tortelinni.
Most of the time I make my meals from the scratch. Exceptions are usually takeaway food; I only buy stuff like frozen lasagne and the likes very rarely, it's expensive and it doesn't taste as good. (In fact even a few of my spices is homemade.)
As others said, in your case (provided that you're the one in charge of cooking) it might be sensible to buy the store-bought pancake mix for the sake of your wife, and then prepare the rest of the food as you typically do.
Kinda depend on what thing i'm making. I'll make pancake/cupcake/cookie/brownie from scratch because premade has the exact same efford required, while stuff like meatballs/hashbrown/nugget/sausage i'd just buy frozen because the effort to get there is high. Though i won't get premade microwave meal, it's usually horrible.
I seem to be the only one here who likes Bisquick pancakes, at least as a starting point (I usually add something: last time it was half a can of pumpkin, walnuts and pie spices)
I find frozen meatballs significantly worse than hand made, plus there’s usually a lot of junk ingredients. However realistically that usually means I’ll
Use sausage or shredded chicken thighs
I would rather cook because I like the taste much, much more. Almost all frozen stuff is just flavorless to me so I end up having to doctor it up anyway. It’s easier for me to just start from scratch unless it’s something that’s a giant pain.
I also worked as a cook when I was young so the effort/time is probably a bit less for me since I can do the food prep stuff quickly and without much mental effort. When I chop vegetables, my brain basically does it on autopilot.
I make as much as possible to avoid the flavor additives, texture modifiers, and preservatives found in much packaged food.
I make waffles from scratch and freeze them for quick breakfast. Prep large pots of soup, chili, stew, etc and freeze in deli tubs.
But as to who is right? No answer on that. I have built up plenty of cooking experience so things that seem tricky or time consuming to other people don’t faze me.
Quite frequently I have no energy. But me and my husband need to eat. So premade it is. When I do have energy? I'll cook, bake, from scratch! And if I have a lot off energy, maybe I'll premake something and freeze it, like ravioli or a lasagna.