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Ukraine to force another 160,000 men into military - official

www.bignewsnetwork.com Ukraine to force another 160,000 men into military - official

Kiev has already pressed more than a million men into service but needs more MP Alexey Goncharenko has said Read Full Article at RTcom

Kiev will conscript 160,000 more troops over the next three months, according to statements from lawmakers and media outlets. More than a million soldiers have already been drafted, yet high losses have left the Ukrainian Armed Forces plagued by manpower shortages.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces had around 250,000 active-duty personnel at the beginning of 2022, a number that rapidly swelled once Vladimir Zelensky called up reservists and forbade draft-age men from leaving the country.

This spring, faced with mounting losses, Kiev lowered the draft age from 27 to 25 and significantly tightened mobilization rules, requiring potential recruits to report to conscription offices for "data validation." These checks often result in people being immediately taken into the army and sent to the front line.

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It's so disturbing to see libs cheer on the meat grinder
- Statists are monsters, it does not matter which is the colour of their ideas.
  
  To all statists, the penalty for the crime of conscription is that I will exterminate all of your officers and officials. I will expunge the myth of your nation like the disease that it is.
  
  Death to the egregores !
Wars suck so much.

To be honest, I don't want to be forced to kill other human beings because of some shitty politicians who decided so.

It makes me sick to the bone.
- This is really well represented in, All quiet on the western front.
Even Ukrainians are now starting to understand what western backed regime is doing to them

“Soon, there may be no one left even to use the weapons they give us,” said the volunteer, Yevhen Tuzov, “because all our Western partners want is for us to fight until the last Ukrainian.”
What a dire situation.
- I wonder how we got here.
This is so fucking bleak man
Women might be dragged into the battlefield soon. Ukraine should give up.
- Negotiating a political settlement isn't "giving up". Turning off the meat grinder is not "giving up"
They don't have a choice. It is this or being Russian slaves.
- They don't have a choice. It is this or being Russian slaves.
  
  Hey, thank you for your insightful comment!
  
  Could you please expand on that and tell me more about people in Crimea and other liberated cities being Russian slaves?
  
  Also while you are at it - could you please also explain to me how being unable to leave your country where you can be kidnapped on a street at any day and sent to die is not considered slavery / is better than "being Russian slave"? How did that happen that "Russian slaves" can move to Ukraine controlled territories at any time and supposedly stop being slaves, but those who are on Ukraine controlled territories cannot do the opposite (and yet for some reason you wouldn't consider them slaves)?
  
  The mental twists to write this bullshit must have been insane.
  
  Could you please expand on that and tell me more about people in Crimea and other liberated cities being Russian slaves?
  
  Liberated? Go and fuck yourself, Russian troll.
  
  liberated
  
  Russia is imperialist and I don't trust any of their "referendums" in the occupied regions of Ukraine, given that Russia rigs elections (that's a video of ballot stuffing in Russia).
  
  could you please also explain to me how being unable to leave your country where you can be kidnapped on a street at any day and sent to die is not considered slavery
  
  I do think there is a point to make here. Ukrainians should be free to leave their country if they want. But anyway, I strongly disagree with your view that Russia's imperialist invasion of Ukraine is "liberating" anything or anyone.
Give Ukraine the tools to strike russia where it hurts and stop pussyfooting around already
lol forced.

The wording of these things. While technically correct, it’s a draft. Because you know, the thousand day invasion threatening their existence.
- That’s literally what forced means. Are you an Israeli or something?
  
  It’s the negative connotation of the wording that I was implying, not the meaning.
  
  Are you American or something?
- go sign up for the foreign legion turd
- Conscription is usually an ongoing event. A draft is a specific, often temporary, implementation of conscription.
- Because you know, the thousand day invasion threatening their existence.
  
  Whose existence?
  Seriously, what kind of mental gymnastics one needs to do to consider this a valid argument..
  Show me, how is the existence of people on liberated territories (like Crimea, Melitopol and so on) are threatened?
  Or maybe those people are actually okay (well, at least relatively to those of us who are still stuck on Zelensky controlled territories...) and it's the lives of those whom Zelensky can still reach are threatened, because his regime can kidnap them at any moment and send to the meatgrinder?
  
  I'll bite
  
  Is it better to be drafted now, or wait until Putin has another territory to "liberate" and send mostly minorities there?
  
  Is it suddenly ok when it's Russia drafting "free" Ukrainians from those "liberated" territories?
  
  Are the kidnapped children free now? Happy? Doubtful.
  
  “Living there, it seems like you live your normal life. But you can’t express your thoughts, there are topics you can’t discuss, you can’t go where you want. You live like a spider in a jar. You are kept inside, and you run in circles like horses in a circus ring. Those who expect Ukraine to save us are having a hard time. It’s hard on morale. You’re not allowed to speak about Ukraine; Ukrainian symbols are banned. If you hear something, or say something they think is wrong, they grab you and put you in a basement."
  
  So free...
  
  What
Forced? Their fighting for their survival for fuck's sake.
- Are you contesting that it's "Forced"? It matches the textbook definition of the word
- They are forced. They fight against the Ukrainian Army for their survival, because being drafted means they will probably die at this point. If they could keep avoiding the army, they would probably survive until this madness ends.
  
  You can have your side on this and think Ukraine is fighting for survival, but that's a point of view, an idea. Some facts are:
  
  Ukraine is currently loosing this war. It's even territorial.
  
  Ukraine is loosing support from their allies. And if Trump wins, which is somehow plausible, they'd be practically alone.
  
  Recently drafted citizens are just that, they are not soldiers. With their morale, they probably aren't even fighters.
  
  A good chunk of the remaining Ukrainian people don't want to fight no more.
  
  Drafting more inexperienced citizens will at best slow down the course of the current events.
  
  Sure, but have you considered rytheon stock price?
- Yeah the conscription can be pretty violent
- The people who are forced to the frontline certainly do.
- Yeah, when the nazi press gang shows up that is what they're doing, huh?
- no dear, that's the palestinians. the ukrainians will be mostly fine once this war is finally over.
- That's so easy to write isn't it? I'm no coward, but I'm not sure some arbitrary border on a map is enough to motivate me to give up on seeing my daughter grow up. I understand that Russia is a fascist state led by a mad man who should be fought. Giving your life for that is no easy decision tho.
  
  It is when that border comes to your home though surely.
  
  Are we all forgetting what an invasion is or something?
- The only "fight for survival" is against Zelensky.

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