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Scientists call fraud on supposed extraterrestrials presented to Mexican Congress

Supposed aliens landed in Mexico’s Congress but there were no saucer-shaped UFOs hovering over the historic building or bright green invaders like those seen in Hollywood films.

The specter of little green men visited Mexico City as lawmakers heard testimony Tuesday from individuals suggesting the possibility that extraterrestrials might exist. The researchers hailed from Mexico, the United States, Japan and Brazil.

The session, unprecedented in the Mexican Congress, took place two months after a similar one before the U.S. Congress in which a former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer claimed his country has probably been aware of “non-human” activity since the 1930s.

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Scientists call fraud on supposed extraterrestrials presented to Mexican Congress

apnews.com /article/extraterrestrials-ufo-mexico-congress-af7d54fabf3278ef83c39d899c457c76

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2y ago

Scientists call fraud on supposed extraterrestrials presented to Mexican Congress

apnews.com /article/extraterrestrials-ufo-mexico-congress-af7d54fabf3278ef83c39d899c457c76

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It's so pathetic that all these UFO stories are being taken seriously by world governments. What's next? Will they turn down the lights in the capital and tell ghost stories?
- It's all about the distraction..
  
  Yep, less time to talk find real solutions about real problems like inflation, climate change, etc.
- I never expected Watchmen to become a documentary.
- Only legislators seem to be taking this seriously not governments. I think it ties in to the rise of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Its being used as an approach to gain political favour amoung the populist right.
  
  The Oversight Committee inquiry was bipartisan and only the Democrat mentioned aliens at all in his opening statement. Christie refused to even deign to speak about UFOs at the GOP debate. The Mexican congress is controlled by Morena. I don't think this is being driven by the right at all.
- See my comment above.. It’s not pathetic - these issues deserve to be looked at seriously. It certainly seems our governments take UAP seriously.
  I’d encourage you to educate yourself and delve into the topic to gain a little more insight rather than just broadly dismissing it and handwaving it away.
  
  So we have debunkable poor quality video and untrustworthy eyewitness testimony. Extraordinary claims DO require extraordinary evidence, and this doesn't mean that every poor quality cellphone video needs to be "taken seriously".
  How about if some actual astronomers and biologists could weigh in? I wonder if people could elaborate on this "70% DNA similarity", because as-is it is a suspiciously well crafted bite-sized talking point that is easy to grasp on the surface, perfect for conspiracy nutters to latch onto and parrot without getting into the actual science.
  I'd encourage you to educate yourself on basic logic and the scientific method, instead of gullibly accepting these claims without sufficient evidence.
  
  It’s not pathetic
  Yes it is
  these issues deserve to be looked at seriously
  No they don't.
  /thread
  
  If you think that's a serious issue, just wait until you hear about the escaped lunatic with a hook for a hand!
- The linked article didn't show a picture of the "proof"...
  
  WTF is that even supposed to be? Bones covered in skin with a miraculously preserved face?
  
  How'd E.T. get in the box?
- And to make themselves harder and harder to find as human technology advanced. You know the exact opposite way everything is real behaves. Everything true eventually gets easier and easier to prove. Everything false shows the every decreasing effect, where more and more resources are required to find anything at all. If you want a real challenge try to find evidence for ESP, if you want easy mode go ahead and verify any scientific discovery that broke the minds of people a hundred years ago.
  Used to be people saw aliens just by sight. Now we are reduced to finding them only in isolated incidents with complex military sensor packages that no one understands.
  Got to give those aliens credit. They have somehow made themselves follow the exact path all pseudoscience follows. Ingenious. Almost as ingenious as only abducting drunk hillbillies who live alone.
So is there just something in the water all throughout North America or what?
- You see these kinds of claims everywhere. Maybe not aliens, mind. Before space and aliens were on everyone’s mind, people were abducted or fed on (among many other sordid things…) by vampires.
  And demons and all sorts of other creatures.
  Aliens are only the latest in a long list of boogeymen.
  
  Fairies was more common than vampires. Being kidnapped by the fairies and even replaced with a changeling was a very common folk motif even into the 19th century.
  
  they generally dont get to talk in front of congress
  
  It's definitely very US centric overall.
  Reddit was (or rather still is) full of it this time around too and people in various subs called everyone who dismissed this obvious fraud (by the same fraudster that literally pulled the SAME fraud 5 years ago already) as being part of a CIA operation to cover this up.
  
  Yep this is just more of the demon haunted world becoming mainstream again.
- Mostly the U.S. to be honest.
  
  From the video "Data Source: https://nuforc.org/"
  It's a US based website thats in English, of course non English speaking nations aren't going to be represented
  
  Clearly the aliens are tampering with our water.
  
  That is almost a map of the anglosphere.
- I've been wondering about that too. This dude was already busted for passing off dolls as aliens. The article said they aren't even sure that he's made new dolls since then. So maybe this is just an opportunist that saw renewed interest.
  More generally though, there's sort of a drumbeat of alien news from official sources. Like it's a psyop, but I don't know why. Maybe to give the Q-susceptible types something more controlled to fantasize about? Aliens are actually in contact and the govt wants to soften the blow? They made some badass weapon and want a cover story?
  Guerrilla marketing for another X-Files reboot?
  
  There is a a lot of legitimate inquiry occurring and as someone who does genuinely want answers, I am disappointed but not surprised that people like this guy are coming out of the woodwork and discrediting the work that has been done.
  I truly believe that the renewed interest and news is because this topic has gotten too big to keep covering up. There are whistleblowers, trained fighter pilots, and commercial airline pilots coming forward and speaking to the legitimacy of UAPs. There is compelling civilian video because everyone now has a good camera in their pocket.
  They have been captured on video that has been officially released by the Pentagon, including a video of a silver orb bearing resemblance to the “Foo fighter” UAP that pilots have been reporting since the Second World War. They are being discussed in official memos to Canada’s Prime Minister after our Defence Minister was clear that what was shot down was an object, not a balloon. The memo states that there is a risk that the object could be found by indigenous hunters - if it’s a weather balloon or something innocuous why would they care? They have been observed by US navy fighter pilots entering and exiting the ocean.
  Look, I understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but we’re not even allowing broad, legitimate discourse about this topic without mockery and eye brow raising. How will we ever get to the bottom of what is happening if we can’t even seriously discuss it? Why would hundreds of trained pilots lie about what they have seen? It’s not just one guy. And it seems like it has been happening for a LONG time.
  The questions I want answers to:
  How long has the military/five-eyes really been tracking this phenomena.
  Do we have any idea where they come from or what they are.
  Have we recovered any craft.
  However, at this point I would even accept an official saying yes they’re real and it’s not human or no here’s what they are with a thorough explanation but we don’t even get that much.
- Lead? Microplastics? Dihydrogen monoxide...?
  
  You keep that dihydrogen monoxide out of my pure water! That is an INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH SOLVENT!
- Maybe the second most famous "alien ship found by government" story is from Italy. Bet you didn't know that Italy sided with Germany as part of an agreement to hand over a recovered craft to the Nazis.
This is embarassing for Mexico.
- More so or less than another Virgin Mary sighting under an overpass?
  
  Funny you mention that, as I read that the guy making these claim also claims to have spoken to the Virgin (as well as to living aliens).
- At least they're focused on aliens when they could be focused on fucking people over like usual.
Let me try to explain this as someone that lives in Mexico, Jaime Maussan is like a cheap version of Fox Mulder or that "Aliens" meme guy from history channel. Bigfoot, loch Ness, martians, etc you name it.
Nothing new for us but he must be thrilled that someone from outside Mexico pays attention to him.
- And he already tried this couple years back with a mummy with 3 fingers and DNA showed it was a human child. I wouldn't hold my breath for these to be anything different.
- todavía me acuerdo del vídeo de los niños jugando fútbol y que un alien supuestamente saca su brazo desde un poste de luz y fue lo único de lo que se habló por cómo 3 días en las noticias
  
  No mames, los del alíen de Yucatán! Hasta me acordé del otro baboso llamado Carlos Trejo, que sube videos a YouTube de su tratamiento capilar.
- Alguien recuerda cuando salió en Otro Royo hace como 20 años con un disque brazalete tele transportador o intergaláctico o una mamada así?
  Translation for those who ain’t Mexican or can’t speak spanish: does anyone remember when he appeared on that popular TV show like 20 years ago claiming he had a teleporting bracelet or an intergalactic travel device or some bullshit like that?
  
  Jajaja se la vivía con el Adal y el Jordi. Siempre le gustó la artisteada
- I saw this article many years ago, the author argued that conspiracy theories show a timedelay in passing because of languages. Some conspiracy pops up in say France and it takes three years to meet the person who: speaks French and Spanish, believes it, is a hyperspreader, and is willing to take the effort into translation. Now the conspiracy meme is moving around in Spainish where it will remain until about three years later when it encounters the Spainish speaking person equivalent who moves it into English.
  I wish I had saved the article because the author wasn't just speculating. He had timed out by internet posts the jumps from English to Hindi. The effect is a weird type of future shock where what was hot in one culture and forgotten about becomes reintroduced back a few years later.
  I ran a small electrical engineer homework helping board once and at one point we got overwhelmed by Spainish-English speakers screaming about Tesla transverse wave stuff.
This is a distraction. Something nefarious is going on unrelated to this nonsense.
- You mean like the entirety of the world collapsing and burning alive.
  Yeah
- Don't attribute malice where stupidity would suffice.
  
  Mainly this though
- It ties in with Qanon narratives too. Most of those conspiracy theorists believe "aliens" run the show, Trump/Biden is a clone and other wacky shit. It's funny how grifters like this guy try to keep the narrative going for the delusional. It reinforces their beliefs, kind of like Sound of Freedom validates Qanon beliefs about human trafficking.
  
  If half of these people took the time they spend and reinvested into the actual issues of the world like financial abuse, police system reform, climate study, biology, chemistry, we’d all be in a substantially better place.
  Don’t forget that y’all.
  
  I thought the Jews were doing all this? Are the aliens in league with the Jews?
For once I'm glad this is an example of pure stupid that isn't coming from the USA.
- Didn't you see the CT images? They indeed have internal organs, so this seems like an elaborate fabrication. The guy is a professional hoaxer
  
  The video of these being disproved came out two years ago lol
My favourite part was when the little aliens suddenly got up and did a little song and dance number.
- Check please...
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Mexican journalist José Jaime Maussan presented two boxes with supposed mummies found in Peru, which he and others consider “non-human beings that are not part of our terrestrial evolution.”
In 2017, Maussan made similar claims in Peru, and a report by the country’s prosecutor’s office found that the bodies were actually “recently manufactured dolls, which have been covered with a mixture of paper and synthetic glue to simulate the presence of skin.”
On Wednesday, Julieta Fierro, researcher at the Institute of Astronomy at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, was among those to express skepticism, saying that many details about the figures “made no sense.”
Congressman Sergio Gutiérrez Luna of the ruling Morena party, made it clear that Congress has not taken a position on the theses put forward during the more than three-hour session.
Grusch’s highly anticipated testimony before a House Oversight subcommittee was the U.S. Congress’ latest foray into the world of UAPs — or “unidentified aerial phenomena,” which is the official term the U.S. government uses instead of UFOs.
Democrats and Republicans in recent years have pushed for more research as a national security matter due to concerns that sightings observed by pilots may be tied to U.S. adversaries.
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Ya think?
Weird writing. So there were aliens in Mexicans congress?

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