You know what? You're right; we should be teaching people that beating their boss to within an inch of thier life is much more effective than goverment sanctioned methods.
Wayne correctly intuits that strikes and unions are not the fundamental source of workers' power, only to incorrectly intuit that such a source must not exist at all
Wayne's imagination is shackled by liberalism, so much that he cannot even see outside of it
Nah, I like this guy's idea.
Let's accelerate making people more desperate and more radicalized as institutions become more brittle and more vulnerable.
What could possibly go wrong?
God this is the most
thing I could possibly say, but:Username checks out
huffing their own farts so hard they start to think that regulatory capture is regulations
anyway throwback to 1992 when mine workers in Canada rigged up an anti-scab IED that fucking murdered nine scabs as they rolled into the mine on a cart lmfao https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/giant-mine-explosion
you see workers just appear as if from the ether, they don't draw from any sort of community of skilled professionals that largely know each other and would resent some of them fucking over the others for personal gain
they start to think that regulatory capture is regulations
If you were born in the last 40 years, I can't blame you. That's all a lot of people have ever known.
you see workers just appear as if from the ether, they don't draw from any sort of community of skilled professionals that largely know each other and would resent some of them fucking over the others for personal gain
Workers are increasingly alienated, both socially and physically. The regional networks of professionals have largely been polluted with scam organizations and self-help hustlers. Offices and worksites have become fractured into assembly-line like sub-components with more and more of the labor outsourced overseas. And the businesses themselves get larger, while the communication between departments and offices gets routed through more and more layers of middle management.
I don't think its safe to say skilled professionals all know each other, outside of the superficial associations like LinkedIn. We might all know the same handful of institutions that employ us, but that's only so beneficial.
I've never heard of this before, thanks for sharing. Most of my knowledge of labor action is for the US. I didn't know Canadians were still based in the 90s. Rodgers Warren is now in my vocabulary. Guy took 10 years in prison and didn't rat anyone out, despite being charged with 9 murders.
Also, lol @ Karen Fullowka get fucked scab spawn. Your dad deserved it.
If I lose everything this will be my preferred form of
"Washington D.C is making my master's slaves revolt!" - cucked PMC who definitely aren't getting owned
Unions were invented in 1935 when John Union came up with them and convinced Robert Wagner to make the NLRB.
Richard Wagger
Stay mad Wayne
Ahistorical and incorrect but I can understand why an Ameribrained person would come to this conclusion.
American unionism is far to reliant on the state for legitimacy and sovereignty.
Also just
Yeah American unions have become pathetic. Too much Cold War brainworms combined with Reaganism caused them to hand over all of their power.
One of the more common union busting tactics for the last 50 or so years has been to give in to union demands for senior employees on the condition junior employees wouldn't benefit. They'd fire/layoff newer employees and not allow them to fill positions created by someone retiring. Then viola! You have a new workforce who resent unions and don't have to pay them better.
Done on a large scale, it created generations of Americans against unions. Any sort of institutional knowledge about how to organize has been lost. Most Americans don't know people were getting shot for scabbing well into the 1950s. One of the good things to come out of Occupy Wallstreet was the rediscovery of labor history among younger workers.
Yeah American unions have become pathetic. Too much Cold War brainworms combined with Reaganism caused them to hand over all of their power.
this is ignoring and erasing the savage impact of the red scares and mcarthyism which led to that. These weren't just media propaganda that 'communism bad' but also violent waves of events over a century, with some of their worst waves in the 1900s-1930s and the 1950s-1970s, which literally made it illegal to be a communist both in law and practice; with full scale outing/'doxxing' and forced-purges of every single communist, anarchist, socialist, any militant at all from all of the rank-and-file and leadership positions of unions and workers associations, from every board of civil rights and community organizations, every school board and faculty from the university level all the way down to even middle school teachers being threatened with criminal prosecution if they didn't quit, every level of governance and civil service, etc. On top of COINTELPRO style surveillance, sabotage, frameups, jailings, torture, murder, etc. of any suspected or even suspected of having sympathies.
Any who didn't comply had every method at the state's disposal arrayed against them to crush them, repress them, criminally charge them, blacklist and sanction them and pressure others to not deal with them, and discredit and malign them in the public and provoke stochastic terror and repressions against them, if not just killed by the cops and pinkertons themselves etc. Even speaking positively about communism let alone being a party member if overheard and reported would be made to end your career and social comfort and safety and possibly freedom or life, by any means they could. It's from all of this that you still in the USA on government forms and immigration forms and military forms have to disclose if you are or have ever been a member of a communist party. You can be denied citizenship over it.
But all this left behind only anti-communist liberals, as everyone who didn't abide by the purges was destroyed. It broke and smote all militancy in these unions and organizations which is what led to this complacency and class-collaboration and corruption (which then in the 1950s opened the door to their dealings with organized crime; whose mobsters had plenty of their own government crooks in their service too --- a legacy of things like prohibition meaning government figures and bootleggers working together to make off like bandits behind the charade of fighting 'the war on alcohol.') and this is what all paved the way for the criticisms and disdain for unions we see today; half of which isn't even wrong but is applied to organized labor in general instead of these specific corrupt, bloated, class-collaborationist reactionary unions that were all that were left in the wake of anti-communist purges amounting to bureaucratized white terror.
There has indeed been a rediscovery however. IWW has seen a big resurgence in the last decade though; and never gave up their principles even when they, and anyone else who tried to organize the broad masses together on real revolutionary lines were smashed into irrelevancy. For them it's constitutionally verboten to ever sign a contract with a no-strike clause for instance (which amounts to handing over all power and leverage completely), and nobody with hiring or firing power is allowed in the union, nor any cops, etc. Class collaboration is explicitly condemned and they understand and teach that labor law is a (flawed) shield but direct action is the sword and the primary tool of the working class. They also allow dual-carding to connect unions together. Their all-industrial unionism is as opposed to collaborationist and worker-vs-worker competition-between-unions which only benefits the capitalists; and is an exceptional way in my mind for regular working masses to develop working class consciousness and solidarity-in-struggle to build revolutionary mindsets and motivations; with which a little bit (of a good deal) of Lenin would create an actual revolutionary capability among them to fear. Plus their preamble goes hard as hell. ::: spoiler Preamble to the IWW Constitution:
The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of the working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life.
Between these two classes a struggle must go on until the workers of the world organize as a class, take possession of the means of production, abolish the wage system, and live in harmony with the Earth.
We find that the centering of the management of industries into fewer and fewer hands makes the trade unions unable to cope with the ever growing power of the employing class. The trade unions foster a state of affairs which allows one set of workers to be pitted against another set of workers in the same industry, thereby helping defeat one another in wage wars. Moreover, the trade unions aid the employing class to mislead the workers into the belief that the working class have interests in common with their employers.
These conditions can be changed and the interest of the working class upheld only by an organization formed in such a way that all its members in any one industry, or in all industries if necessary, cease work whenever a strike or lockout is on in any department thereof, thus making an injury to one an injury to all.
Instead of the conservative motto, "A fair day's wage for a fair day's work," we must inscribe on our banner the revolutionary watchword, "Abolition of the wage system."
It is the historic mission of the working class to do away with capitalism. The army of production must be organized, not only for everyday struggle with capitalists, but also to carry on production when capitalism shall have been overthrown. By organizing industrially we are forming the structure of the new society within the shell of the old. :::
Wow that’s interesting I have definitely met many of those kinds of folks.
In general it just feels like the whole NLRB certification process serves teach American Union members that the legitimacy of their political power is handed down to them by the state as opposed to being self evident and independent from state power.
If they had it their way everyone would be a gig worker and for those who work on computers they would make sure any second spent not looking at the screen would be docked pay
See, unions only exist if the government sanctions their existence, unlike corporations and private property rights that has nothing to do with the state enforcing their claims.
obviously those things are just inherent in nature