Vance claims Trump 'salvaged' Obamacare. Trump tried, and failed, to kill it.
Vance claims Trump 'salvaged' Obamacare. Trump tried, and failed, to kill it.
When Trump was president, Republicans fought to repeal the health insurance program.
When Trump was president, Republicans fought to repeal the health insurance program.
Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance claimed Tuesday night — in contradiction of history — that his running mate, former President Donald Trump, “salvaged Obamacare,” the health insurance program that Trump tried to kill.
During the vice presidential debate on CBS against Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, Vance, a senator from Ohio, echoed Trump’s own recent revisionism. But the assertion also served to remind voters that Democrats ultimately won the yearslong political fight over expanding access to health insurance: The Republican ticket no longer wants to repeal the 2010 law.
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Didn't John McCain famously save it by breaking off to vote with Dems against Trumps wishes?
Yup. Plus Trump tried to repeal it on day one through executive order because he doesn't know how anything works.
Walz pointed out both of these last night.
Trump was just stress-testing it, see, he helped!
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Yes, but shortly after he cast his vote to end the individual mandate, causing less people to be insured and costs to rise.
Yeah. And then MAGA threatened to kill him for it afterwards. Totally normal people that lot
Yup. Right before his passing a few months later.
Yeah. Tim Walz mentioned that in the debate.
"in contradiction of history" is just a fancy way of saying that he lied. Call him a fucking liar like he is.
Journalistically, I think "lying" implies willfullness, and a reporter cannot 100% prove that a false statement was made willfully, with knowledge that the statement was false.
What the reporter can do is point out that the statement was false, with evidence that demonstrates that, even including statements to the contrary by the person making the false statement before and after. But you can't know for sure in the moment a false statement is being made that the person believed it was false as they were making it.
This journalistic concept is part of the reason the couch fucker meme took off. AP (was it AP?) published a story about how "No, JD Vance did not have sex with a couch," and then retracted it. Why? Because while there's no evidence that JD Vance did have sex with a couch, and there's plenty of evidence that JD Vance having sex with a couch was just a joke, there isn't any proof that JD Vance didn't have sex with a couch.
It was interesting, but not surprising, that he said both that Obamacare was a failure, and that they would protect all the parts of it that people enjoy.
I liked "we don't need Obamacare because we have legislation protecting people with preexisting conditions"
Yeah, that would be Obamacare.
Trump and the GOP are directly responsible for killing the part of ACA that required people to have insurance in 2017. That is what allowed all the young healthy people to drop their insurance which caused costs to go up for everyone else. It de-socialized it.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act
That's sort of true, sort of not. The insurance companies were foaming at the mouth for this. It means they are unchecked in their march towards profit.
This was going to raise the price of medical care regardless of whether healthy people were in it or not. We have an aging, fat, sick society and they require very expensive care.
We have an aging, fat, sick society and they require very expensive care.
This is the exact reason why the mandate existed. Having all the young and healthy people paying into the insurance as well offsets the costs. That being said it would have been far better to have a public insurance run by the government that wasn't beholden to profit. AKA M4A
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Good. I didn’t need health insurance.
No one needs healthcare insurance, until they get sick or hurt. Do you have some knowledge of immortality and invulnerability the rest of humanity isn't aware of?
The rest of ACA was fine. Don’t force your shit on me then make me pay for it if I’m not participating. I was poor as hell.
If you were that poor the ACA would pay for your health insurance for you...unless you lived in a state that decided to reject the free money the Federal Government gave states to pay for poor people's coverage. If thats your case, your issue is with your elected state government.
The youth is already paying for the elderly. It’s called Medicare. The real question is whether the young people who are healthy pay for those that are less lucky.
Obama was right. Once people lived with the ACA, they wouldn’t want to go back. The GOP knows that now, so now they’re going to pretend that they fixed it.
All Donnie had to do was get his Congress to vote in some meaningless changes, and then proclaim that he'd 'fixed Obamacare' and take a victory lap. Put TrumpCare on the site and tell his MAGoos to sign up.
tbf, them taking responsibility for other people's accomplishments has gotten fairly common in recent years. They need to be able to show something to their voters asides tax cuts for the rich, half-built walls and bans of Muslims entering the country that get struck down in court. So why not steal credit for other people's successes?
Btw, did you all know that I'm actually the lead dev of Mastadon? Yep, it was just some barely-running service before I came along, and I got it fixed right up. Look at how good my project is doing! I'm just the greatest, aren't I?
Doesn’t everyone on both sides already know this? Is journalism just stating the obvious now? Is this how we are going to be fed from now on?
Man. That’s sad.
When one side of the political spectrum continually lies about literally everything, stating the obvious has basically become the job of journalists.
No. People who watch Fox News exclusively don’t know this. It’s the problem with that channel in particular.
Failure = success!
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Don't they have a concept of a plan? Rolls eyes
So…. A guy that claimed people were eating cats said something that to some- is surprisingly untrue?
What have we become?
Just Doubledown Vance
That plan has been 2 weeks away for a fucking decade.
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