Not trying to start a fight, just curious. If you (vegans) already know we (meat eaters) don't care, why would you keep pursuing that line of argument?
At least for my part:
For the same reason I try to fight against injustices for people?
Why do I, as a male, condemn sexist behavior and fight against it? Why do I, as a teacher, stand in for the rights of my students when they get wronged? Why do I, as a human, hate to see other people fighting?
It's a mixture between empathy and a feeling of justice.
I just dislike unjust behavior - and for me, animal cruelty is unjust.
I'm not vegan and won't ever be but can see that it does work just not to the extent a lot of them would like the world to. Like I said I'm not vegan however with the innovation of the meatless foods like the beyond burgers and such I'd be willing to try it IF I don't have to pay and if I like it then that's 1 more thing I'll do towards a better eco system even if microscopic. Then you have kids/teens who will see this and begin to lean towards being vegan as they wouldn't like what they see/learn.
At the end of the day even if it's a small audience they'll still reach people and change life styles which is ok
Humans, all humans, have a built-in ability to not care about other people. This can easily extend to animals as well. That's all it is, they don't want to care so they don't. They want to eat/use animal products and are far enough removed from the gruesome aspects of it that they can just choose to not care.
The argument some people give is that plants also feel pain.
Which reveals how little they understand about what they're talking about
But you can just simply ask them if they want to say by that that cutting an onion is in principle the same as cutting the throat of a cow. They'll row back then I assume
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everytime i see ppl saying "ah" instead of "ass," I read it in Jeff Goldblum's voice
idk, personally I really don't care that much about eating corpses, maybe I'm too detatched or a horrible person, but for some reason I'm fine with it
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug.
Alternatively, psychopathy fits the description.
I don't belive it to be indoctrination, most people do care, but are just so used to meat, that they don't care enough
I'm a native with prehistoric roots to meat eating and being part of the chain. I personally do not eat meat, but I see no moral issue with hunting in the way it's supposed to be. Not this AR 15 hunting for trophies bullshit. I'm talking ethical, respectful, using every part in a spiritual way. No factory farming. What are most vegans views on native culture in that sense?
I think the main difference between you and the people from your prehistoric roots is that you have many other choices. You don't have to continue to hunt down many animals, because you can choose to buy certain foods and you also have the choice to buy plant based foods.
Whenever you have the choice to buy plant based foods, there is no chance to argue that purchasing animal products in that case is somehow ethical.
The only way to defend hunting for your own survival is when you don't live in a place where you have many foods available. Like, let's say you are on an island where there is no shopping centre or anything. You obviously need to hunt to survive. But if you live somewhere where many plant based foods are available, saying that killing animals is justified in order to get food makes no sense at all. And is certainly not ethical (Deciding to kill an individual being without any necessity can never be ethical)
I'm a person with prehistoric roots to eating humans and being part of the chain. I personally do not eat human meat, but I see no moral issue with hunting people in the way it's supposed to be. Not this AR-15 hunting for trophies bullshit. I'm talking ethical, respectful, using every part in a spiritual way. No factory farming. What are most non-cannibals' views on my culture in that sense?
That your culture is "native" makes it no less unethical, and killing with an AR-15 versus with a traditional weapon definitely has zero ethical difference (if anything, a bullet is likely minimally more humane).
Curious, how is hunting with an AR unethical?
I'm guessing it's more about the standard round that it fires. 5.56 or .223 rounds are built more for penetrating materials so when they're up against a fleshy target, unless you hit them right in the vitals, might not cleanly kill and cause prolonged suffering. That's not to say that the gun can't be chambered in something that's more useful for hunting but having a 20-30 round magazine for hunting is still a bit overkill.
What's spiritual and ethical about taking a living being's life in 2024? There are just so many other foods to eat and ways to think about food that there just isn't an excuse to kill animals in my books.
Spirituality doesn't cut it for me. I'd for sure not like to be part of something like that
Our way of consuming meat is ethical, not your factory farming ways. I think you're going to the extreme on the other end. I'm talking about being part of the natural world. Westerners are so arrogant that they think we're not part of this world. A person eating an animal is no less ethical than a lion eating a Gazelle, or a bird eating a grasshopper, we're all part of this. If you wanna cry "ethics" go cry it to the creator who gave us omnivorous bodies and biology.
What's unethical is consuming meat daily without a thought to where it came from, and what it cost in terms of life. I personally wouldn't eat an animal, but if it came to it I would eat only what I hunt.
You realize plants are also alive before they are harvested for food, right?
AR-15 is just a rifle platform designation. It stands for Armalite (the company that developed the platform) Riffle - 15. They fire the same ammunition as any wooden stock rifle does (depending on your build). They are not some scary over powered gun. And, yes, some game does require you use a higher caliber in order to humanly kill the animal you are hunting. Smaller rounds would end up causing a longer drawn out death for the animal. I assure you most hunters do care about hunting compassionately.
Not trying to diminish your comment. I am strictly a bow hunter. I just feel like using the term AR-15 as a boogey man in any argument about guns is bad faith.
Now, if you are referring directly to curated exotic "hunting" farms, then I absolutely agree with you. Those establishments are a mockery of hunting. I will say, however, that many of those farms do work closely with conservation organizations, so it just really depends.
Why do you think they don't?
Because it's a complicated subject that is limited by both language and constraints upon our scientific understanding about animals without spines.
I think it's accurate to say that most animals feel pain, but how we scientifically describe pain precludes a lot of animals.
Now, the scientific community could be wrong and more animals than we think could be experiencing stimuli akin to pain through a method of action we don't understand. However, if we accept that and lessen the definitional qualifiers of pain, then a lot of plants are going to be joining the ethical debate as well.
Guilty as charged. Lol
What about the end goal of all this? If people stop eating cows, and then we stop keeping and breeding cattle because no one is eating them, where do all the cows go?
Same situation as what happened to the horses when cars were invented and then they became obsolete.
milk!
Milk is not allowed either.
Does a cow feel pain in the 0.2 seconds it's impaled by a steel rod propelled by gas, or are we implying everyone's a piece of shit?
Life is pain, princess. Anyone who tells you otherwise is obfuscating the realities of factory farms.
Ok, edgelord. Like no cow has ever enjoyed a large, grassy field and frolic'd through it, despite his untimely demise.
