Anybody watching the US Presidential debate right now?

Trump: makes incorrect claim
Moderator: Actually there is no evidence that happened
Trump: well I saw it on TV! Someone said it on TV! Someone wouldn't just go and say something on TV if it wasn't true!
Shouldn't the president of the country have a bit of higher standard of evidence than "I saw someone say it on TV"?
- "But I saw it on TV!" says the man currently saying untrue things on TV.
  
  Someone wouldn’t just go and say something on TV if it wasn’t true!
  Not to mention the guy who popularized the term "fake news" back during his first campaign.
- This was one of the many frustrating things about his Presidency. So many times he was reporting on what "someone" was saying was going on in the government. Motherfucker, you've got a big slice of the government working for you. Why don't you find out from them what's going on?
  
  He spent a lot of his presidency watching Fox News and ignoring his briefings. Staff figured out pretty quickly that he likes pictures and compliments and tried to use those to help him get through minutes of material.
  
  Because when he does that, they tell him things he doesn't like to hear (the truth).
- Especially since he's probably the person who said it on TV. But, to answer your question, of course the president should have a higher standard, and the people should hold him to it. For some reason this asshole is still around despite being a living parody.
- Worse is my coworkers ranting about how biased the moderator was

Moderators keep letting trump interrupt & talk over them. Bro just grow some balls & tell him to shut up & mute his shit
- I have been disappointed by that as well but this has been astoundingly good as far as debates have gone. The immediate fact checking is long overdue. And frankly I look forward to pointing at Trump's extra speaking time as a bulwark against the "iT wAs BiAsEd By ThE lIbErAL mOdErAtOrS" complaints.
  
  I’ve been genuinely impressed by their real-time fact checking. They’re swatting away every wild thing he says calmly and with specific examples of the truth. These moderators are incredibly well-prepared.
- 90% of the time Kamala finished her point perfectly before the mods started to interrupt. Respec
  Trump...was his disgusting self
  
  And the best part was that when they did interrupt her, she finished her sentence, then stopped talking
  (Except for one time where it really looked like trump was gonna set her off but she still held up)
  I think it's safe to say this is without a doubt the best performance we've seen from a candidate against Trump, which imo really speaks to her ability to keep her composure under pressure, which isn't easy, especially when everybody expects you to be absolutely flawless.
- Thinking that same thing. For once just enforce the rules on this man baby
  
  The problem is that they would hone in on that and make the debate about that rather than Kamala. They took the L for her Win. It's shitty. But what they had to do to make her the focal point. He absolutely is gaslighting them to make it about what he wants.
- They're afraid to be called unfair after he said that they'd be unfair. It's one of the strategies that us uses to suppress fighting back against his lies and ineptitude.
  First, your preemptively accuse someone of something. Second you do awful things that would normally rightfully get a response, but the authorities have to be careful otherwise you'll accuse them of doing the thing they should be doing. Third, you get your way even though you broke the rules, or you get to yell about how you knew, just knew! That you'd be treated badly.
  
  Fuck it man, just be unfair. He's going to say you were anyways, go scorched earth on the motherfucker.
- This has been a complaint across a dozen debates for 8 years now.
- That was Harris's request, I thought. In the original terms for the Trump/Biden debate, each person's mic was shut off except when it was their turn to speak. Harris asked for that to be changed to allow interruptions, and Trump went along with it. If that's not working out for Harris, she should probably talk to her own team that wanted it, instead of whining about the moderators.
  
  It worked out just fine for her. Gave him a chance to dig his own grave, which is what he did and what she wanted.
  
  The mic being active or not doesn't affect her hearing. If he interrupts her she'd still hear it, only the TV audience wouldn't, so she'd seem flustered.

Oh hell naw. I'm maintaining my sanity by letting Jon Stewart tell me all about it afterwards:-).
- I was so excited to watch the post show but it's on fucking Paramount+ and only comes the day after
  
  It’s on YouTube if you haven’t seen it already. And it is glorious.

Nah, I’m busy performing transgender operations on illegal immigrants that are in prison right now
- Don't forget to do their abortions first
- Me next 👉👈🙄
- Insanely, if he were capable of forming and articulating coherent thoughts, he could have actually landed an attack that would have turned off some swing voters, but he was basically frothing with impotent rage by that point.
  Relevant survey response:
  "14. As President will you use your executive authority to ensure that transgender and non- binary people who rely on the state for medical care — including those in prison and immigration detention — will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender transition, including all necessary surgical care? If yes, how will you do so? Yes X No ⬜ Explanation (no more than 500 words): It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment associated with gender transition. That’s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender transition surgery to state inmates. I support policies ensuring that federal prisoners and detainees are able to obtain medically necessary care for gender transition, including surgical care, while incarcerated or detained. Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to deliver transition treatment."
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-supported-taxpayer-funded-transgender-surgeries-defunding-ice-in-2019-aclu-questionnaire/ar-AA1qhkiZ
- Yo pass me your pet first before you go
- I laughed for like a solid minute at that one.
- Don't forget to implant the voting microchip while you're in there!
- I laughed so hard when I heard that! Best quote of the whole night!

I watched it, and I usually skip debates because the summaries are more meaningful (it's usually just used for fluffy sound bites). This one just felt... Different? She baited the fuck out of him. There will be so many memes.
And yeah the moment he said the great Orban I fucking lost it, more at than the dog eating migrants and the post birth abortions. Like, Harris can't necessarily call that "ally" an asshole fascist but like, those of us in the know, know.

It's really astounding that Donald will lie his ass off about almost anything but can't muster the will to lie about protecting Ukraine. No rational person could think he intends to do anything but hand over Ukraine to Russia.
- That’s exactly what he means by “ending the war” and it “never happening in the first place”
- That's the one thing he CAN'T lie about. Putin has him on a very short leash, and he would catch hell for even implying that Ukraine should be defended.
  For Putin, it's not about getting Trump in office, it's about PR, and saying you'll defend Ukraine is not good PR.
  
  I hate writing lengthy apology letters too.
- protecting Ukraine
  So, turning Ukraine into a mass prison that people are desperatly trying to escape, where people are kidnapped on the streets and sent to die on the frontlines? Can they somehow opt-out of this protection? Yeah, didn't think so, obviously you know what's better for other people.
  No rational person could think he intends to do anything but hand over Ukraine to Russia.
  Obviously it wouldn't happen, just the current front lines would become the new borders.
  But even your bogeyman "hand over Ukraine to Russia" is still orders of magnitudes better for Ukrainians than the current situation.
  
  I'm sure he'll be happy with the Sudetenland!
  
  Man I wish your hometown would get conquered by a hostile force.

ABC is being pathetically weak in controlling Trump rebuttal time. They are letting him walk all over them.
- Harris campaign requested unmuted mics - it was Trump's team that was worried about him making an ass of himself with interruptions. With that in mind they might be letting him talk because it's what Harris wanted in the first place.
  
  Never interrupt your enemy in the middle of a mistake.
  
  Not a bad idea honestly, it clearly worked as intended
  
  They need to use electrodes and as you go over your time or interrupt you get a small shock that gets larger each time you offend.
  
  None of that should matter if the moderators had the a drop of a spine. They don't. They should be banned from ever moderating again.
- Honestly don't know what it takes for an asshole to be put in his place. Most people are weak in this sense, I mean, we see it in every day lives too. It took me so much fucking working to get this sociopathic criminal pushed out of my friend group. Most people didn't "want to make things awkward".
- Nothing new there.

I am waiting for it to come out in meme format.
- There’s going to be some good ones for sure
- Honestly it's how I consume lot of world events these days

Harris: "You shouldn't have to fly to another state just to get the medical attention you need."
MAGA nutheads: "SHE HATES FLYING WITH POOR PEOPLE"
Holy shit, the brain gymnastics some people do on the net is astonishing.

There’s a live thread at !news@lemmy.world.
https://lemmy.world/post/19625067
- Thanks homie u da mvp
- Also one at !politics@lemmy.world

I can't watch the orange man without getting very angry about the shit he spews, so I couldn't watch it for very long. I understand he got trounced.

Switched over to Fox to see how they were going to spin it.
Hannity was like: "The moderators are lefties. It was 3-1 ."
Then he brought on Rubio, and I clicked away.
- Only losers blame the ref.

I was but had to turn it off after President Treason lied about people getting hurt on Jan 6

no, not like i like to stay uninformed, i just don't like to cringe
- Colin Robinsons out there feeding from the energy

Even called him a strongman like it was a good thing.
- Seriously

Saw most of it. Actually surprised that fat orange held himself together for so long. Hes still not worth the trouble though
- He was coherent but clearly uncomfortable, usually he's pretty confident.

Me and a couple friends made a little party out of it. I started Uni a couple weeks ago so we haven't been able to talk hardly at all, so we made sure to clear our schedules so we could laugh at Trump for a couple hours together

Nope definitely not why would I do that to myself
- Lmao

Forcing myself to watch this thing. I think I'm getting a rash.
- I've been doing the game where I shoot every time he gets the mic when he shouldn't.
  Probably gonna need emergency services soon
- Like your username. Though we probably have a different definition of subspace lmao

What's the point of muted microphones if they'll just let him say whatever he wants, whenever!? Once again, all the rules and laws just don't apply to Donald Trump...
- I forgot the movie, but it's like that scene were the elites of Germany were amused by the Nazis and allowing them to grow until they realized they lost control. I think the same thing is going on here, they think they cam get something out of Trump, but likely will be fucked in the long term if Trump gets what he wants.

This cheeto is COOKED
- Let's hope, but clearly he's not having a good time

I saw a minute or so of it because someone else had it on, but I wasn't interested in watching, I'll catch a summary online later, or will look at this thread now and then Will try not to reload obsessively. I need to protect my fragile brain from this crap ;).

i was working so, no.
- Probably for the best

"trash says I smell nice!"
- Hahaha

No. And i am tired that lemmy is 90% posts about the US while they are less then 30℅ of the user.
- Sorry but I live in the US. You are allowed to post too my friend.
- It's the Internet during US elections.
  
  Even outside the elections, it is far too US-centric. I mean, it is lemmy.world after all.
  I'm sorry if I sound more pissed off than I actually am, but it is indeed quite a bit annoying.
- This post has 199 upvotes and 18 downvotes, or 91.7% and 8.3% respectively. In other words, people want to see that kind of content, so that seems fair to me. I don't expect lemmy to care about my local elections, I go to local websites for that. International social media naturally care about things that will affect most of their users.

I didn't bother.
I already know how it's going to go no matter who wins. Everyone gets poorer except the wealthy.
- Being ignorant doesn't rlly help, I feel more hopeful after watching the debate tbh.
  
  Well, respectfully, some of us have bills, and there's nothing worse for my hope in either of these candidates than my grocery, electrical, and medical bills.