If only there was a way to get all of those people there and back home without a car.
If only there was a way to get all of those people there and back home without a car.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/19601342
Pittsburgh is making great strides in this. They've been tearing down parking garages and building condos, forcing everyone to take public transportation. The light rail is even totally free, making it easy for everyone to get there.
The light rail is even totally free, making it easy for everyone to get there.
I gotta say, we could do a hell of a lot better with that.
Edit: Switched to better map
Those tiny red and blue lines is all we have for a city of 300k people, and only just to those few neighborhoods. We could easily have way more, but we just don't.
Damn, kinda wish my city had free public transit. It also does not make much sense to make transit paid given most roads are free to use.
My city bought out some succesful busniesses downtown to demolish their buildings and build a new stadium with surface level parking for all the people who live outside of the city to drive to. Can we at least get a parking garage instead of surface level so we dont have to demolish businesses and homes for the benefits of suburban and rural sports fans? My city is small enough that the footprint of the stadium will be 1/4 or more of the whole downtown area, just sitting there empty for 90% of the time.
Or.. a park. No not a car park.. a park .. with grass and trees.
It's kinda crazy that buying up that much land is cheaper than building parking garages.
In case you didn't know this is Dodgers Stadium in LA and opened 1962 so land was much cheaper then. Also all the land this stadium sits on was seized via eminent domain for a federally funded housing project but because of socialism the city bought the land from the federal government for pennies on the dollar then the Dodgers bought the land and built the stadium there.
Another fun fact about this stadium is it's built over a couple ravines. They leveled the top of the surrounding hills and used that dirt to fill in the ravines. The parking lot northwest of third base has a buried elementary school under it.
The kicker is that a vast amount of these stadiums are paid for by tax payers. We're subsidizing billionaires to build these things that we still have to pay to use instead of investing in public spaces and transportation/infrastructure projects
And I would guess that not all, maybe not even most of them are coming by car.
I saw a concert at the Yankee stadium. It was awesome to be able to take the subway straight from my hotel to the stadium and back.
What I don't like about this, is that a stadium hardly holds people at a sort of normal density. People take up a bunch more space in their day to day lives than inside a stadium. Stadiums are literally built to facilitate this.
I'm not saying the sentiment is bad but the example is.
It's a good image for transportation though. Pedestrians walking somewhere can absolutely get as tight as they do in a stadium.
I can get on board with that
Are you sure? It's not just the seats. If we sum up all the entryways, access corridors, store areas, playing field, locker rooms, office spaces, lounges, rest rooms etc. how much space does each person actually have available in a stadium if distributed equally?
Sure it's not as much as a suburban house, but it might very well be more than a small apartment.
nah, I'm sorry but stadiums are literally designed for people to be as packed as possible. especially a full stadium is incomparable especially once you take into account just how many people there are in there. in normal living (like regular size apartments or offices). If you do the math (just in terms of plain building area) for the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in Madrid, then you get to something like 4.7 m^2 per occupant (assuming staff numbers are negligible and that attendance is at capacity (which historically it's been overshot by as much as 50%)). A 5m^2 apartment is pretty small. this is maybe the size of a small bathroom or less than half the area of a single parking space in france. (less than a 3rd of a US one). Now is this enough space for people in a dense public place? yes. Is it. is it enough space to work or live in? not really. I mean it can be done but now we're looking at japanese microapartment sizes.
point being. this is not that great a comparison even just in how it's perceived by an average onlooker.
in the US, for sure
I’ve not seen a stadium with this much parking in Europe. I almost always see people just taking the train/bus.
Often tickets to events include public transport for the event. There is usually a subway stop close to the location. Both help a lot.
Parking for vehicles doesn't have to take up all that space. Multilevel car parks or even underground parking would take care of most of the wasted space.
So just build another second stadium-sized building next to the stadium sized building? (Or below it)
Except that cars are heavy, so multi-level parking is prohibitively expensive.
That's a good point and, in retrospect, the multilevel is almost better for the comparison as the people are also multilevel.
The Alamodome in San Antonio has a great park-and-ride system where you just park at a designated lot 10-15 mins from the stadium and a bus takes you there and back. Even a solution like that to bridge the gap while trains are built would help. It reduces congestion around the stadium area and also reduces the stress of finding parking.
Recently had an opportunity to go there, for the first time, a few days ago. After parking in the lot, it was a mile walk to the stadium. The bus from Union Station drops you off near the entrance.
That bus is free with a ticket to the game.
I do want to point out that stadiums in the US are built with parking because of tailgating culture, or more cynically the ability to charge for tailgating culture.
Need? Nah man the extra room is to tailgate
I don't necessarily agree with this decision, but Vegas Raiders stadium has virtually zero parking.
That means Vegas doesn't have minimum parking requirements for new construction, based