Dimwit: spies are good when they're the good guys (Americans)
Midwit: espionage is a complex phenomenon, and its practicioners must be evaluated accordingly with consideration for the geopolitical landscape of their time
Ascended intellect: spies are good when they're the good guys (Communists)
were these 2 even communists? I'm not sure if it was them but i know there were spies in the context of nukes that spied for the soviet union because they didn't want the US to be the only one to have nukes, not because they were socialists
The US wanted to nuke every little country that defied them. I wish the US’ fears of judeo bolshevism at the highest levels of government were real because it deserved a whole lot worse than atom bomb secrets being passed to the only countries willing/able to hold the US accountable.
Imagine what would happen do countries like Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and many more since if US was the only country with nukes. They would drop them all the time even if just because they are cheaper than conventional bombings.
The community notes are real. The Rosenbergs were fucking heros.
One of the ironies of the Soviet Union was that they had a extraordinary amount of sympathizers in the U.S. government, even well into the 90's. It is arguably this level of 'understanding' that lead to the dissolution of the USSR, as the high level functionaries in the KGB (including golden boy of the West, Putin) thought that they would be able to dissolve the Soviet Union, then peacefully integrate into the world economy.
here's the quick unsourced version: the US was developing the atom bomb, and planned (sometimes for real, others as disinfo) to build enough of them to carpet-nuke (this was before long range missiles and rockets) the entire Soviet Union, a plan that if completed would have been (one of?) the greatest genocide(s) in world history. several US atomic scientists, sought out contact with the USSR (independently, many unaware of the others) so that they could give them the information necessary to prevent this planned nuclear holocaust before America could build enough bombs.
I know you said unsourced, but, carpet bomb the entirety of the Soviet Union? I mean, extrapolating from the bombings of Japan I can definitely see this potential reality. Is this something that was on the books, or just the logical conclusion of the US having nukes and no one else coming close?
Soviets still got nuclear power plant years ahead of USA. Burger brains think only about killing and weapons and they can't even actually invent them as proven by the massive amount of braindrained scientists in about every crucial weapon program.
Had the US been the sole nuclear-armed state, potentially millions, if not billions of lives, may have been slaughtered. The Rosenbergs were heroes, and the US murdered them for preventing the US's genocidal tendencies from going nuclear. The Cold War was tense, but far better than a US dominated Hot War.