The West finally allowed Ukraine to strike back at Russia — and it seems to be working
The West finally allowed Ukraine to strike back at Russia — and it seems to be working
Bankir and his men have been trying to fight off Russian attacks along the Ukrainian front lines for more than two years. But it’s only now that they are finally able to strike where it hurts: Inside Russia’s own territory.
Bankir and his men have been trying to fight off Russian attacks along the Ukrainian front lines for more than two years. But it’s only now that they are finally able to strike where it hurts: Inside Russia’s own territory.
The newly granted permission by the United States and other allies to use Western weapons to strike inside Russia has had a huge impact, Bankir said. “We have destroyed targets inside Russia, which allowed for several successful counteroffensives. The Russian military can no longer feel impunity and security,” the senior officer in Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) told CNN. For security reasons, he asked to be identified by his call sign only.
Breaking news: in a war, shooting back at your enemy works
Fake news! We should ask Ukraine for peace talks! Otherwise we might provoke Putin!!
Look, Putin has been very clear that he wants peace. All Ukraine have to do is surrender and pull out of the quarter of their country that Russia has "Annexed" while not in control of. Then peace negotiations can begin as to what else Ukraine has to give up in order for the fighting to not resume.
(Note, not sarcasm, this actually the offer Russia has given for a ceasefire, not even peace terms)
All Putin is doing is dropping a few bombs and staging a bit of an invasion, and everyone is talking about war. What has the world come to?
Justin Trudeau in shambles.*
*there is no valid source for that quote
No way! Tell me more! What other great wisdoms are there?
What was working was bombing Russia oil and gas infrastructure with planes.
The only reason Russia has money for war is their fossil fuel production. But Biden banned that because it would drive up global energy prices.
As long as Russia has money to continue to manufacture and buy new weapons this will not change much.
It's almost like the war is not meant to be won
Everybody knew it would work. The critical part is actually "without Putin escalating with nukes."
People keep saying this, but take the premise a little more seriously and it falls apart. Whom does Russia nuke, and in hopes of what outcome?
The only winning move is "nuke everyone all at once so far that nobody can retaliate, and then rule the world". They simply don't have that capability.
Putin is waging a war of aggression, for conquest. Nuclear attacks would contaminate the land and reduce its overall value.
At this point I don’t understand what he hopes to get out of it and how it could be profitable for him. Everything he might annex is a bombed out wreck and there are no longer the people that ran it. Even the existence of the harbor he wants to be a big naval base again: how could he expect that to ever be safe for the remainder of the fleet?
Even were he to win, he’s starting over with everything. Infrastructure, resources, people. When Ukraine wins, we will (hopefully) help them rebuild, but what is Russia going to do? Take out loans from Bank of China and dig themselves even deeper under a mountain of debt?
MAD wouldn't be a thing in a first place if it weren't for human spite, and the potential thereof. The ideal rational agents from game theory turn out to ignore it.
Baseless fearmongering.
Yeah, I'm kinda glad it's not my job to figure out. There's no manual, you just have to read the mood of the Russian establishment about what looks like expected consequences of their actions delivered in an orderly manner, and what looks like a NATO first strike.
The critical part is actually “without Putin escalating with nukes.”
It doesn't even have to be a nuclear response. Russia still has plenty of conventional munitions to throw into this war and Ukraine still has plenty of infrastructure left to be demolished.
Gee no shit. Imagine that being allowed to wage the war in a way that could actually be successful is allowing them to be successful. Suck it Russia.
........this is news? I mean to the people calling the shots.
"Sir! We're at war, what should we do?"
"Hmmmmmm........let's try staying here, and only shooting the ones who get this far."
"SIR!!! IT'S NOT WORKING!!! THEY HAVE ENDLESS SUPPLIES OF MEN!!!"
"Try blasting them inside their OWN territory....."
"Sir, it's working!!!!"
"Wait, that actually worked???"
aw man, german weapons production has just started ramping up. and that failed assasination on german arms manufacturer really helped remove most red lines. russia is so doomed. germans dont stop until you tell them directly. US weapons stationed in germany is already massivly increasing. again: they wont stop until someone tells them. and that means there will be ammo&weapons.lots of it! the decision has been made. run russians. run.
Let's see how much time pass until Ukraine ran out of cannon fodder. The real problem isn't about weapons but about personnel capable to handle them.
Sure, aside from valuing the citizens of Ukraine as people, the real crime in withholding the promised support is in the additional lives lost
What are you basing this statement on? All analysis I have seen so far come to the conclusion, that the war is devastating on an humanitarian and demographic scale, but sustainable for years to come from an pure manpower & training-capacity pov. (Given historical data)
The same analysts suggest that the main reason for the current stalemate is the lack of weapon systems/munitions, that would enable a sustained breakthrough like artillery, tanks and air defense systems. Stuff that western allies hesitate or are incapable to provide in large quantities.
Yep. Ukraine is also a populous country. It will be years before not having the theoretical manpower will be a problem, and if the K:D ratio passes 4:1 in Ukraine's favour, Russia actually runs out first.
In the end it will probably come down to political will. Russia could dissolve into a mess of coups, the West could kind of just move on, the West could have internal problems that make it prohibitive to keep supplying Ukraine, or Ukraine itself could start re-evaluating exactly how willing it is to give up a bit of territory for the sake of peace.