Undecided voter focus group disappointed in Biden's debate performance
Undecided voter focus group disappointed in Biden's debate performance
All undecided voters in a U.S. swing states focus group hosted by pollster Frank Luntz said President Biden should be replaced as the Democratic nominee after watching his first presidential debate against former President Trump.
And yet a senile knocking on death’s door old man is still the objectively better option than Donald Trump. I just can’t understand how people have forgotten who this guy is and what he did to screw every American for his own ego and interests.
This debate (which I didn’t watch) was a spectacle. We all know both of these farts are not fair presidential candidates for Americans. It’s disgusting and gut wrenching.
If you’re undecided, all you need to do is bypass your social media feed and biased news sources and search for Trump presidential accomplishments | Biden presidential accomplishment. You can also check Politifact to observe their lies (here’s the result from the debate) and presidential promises kept and broken - Trump | Biden.
The problem is the vast majority of people don’t care or aren’t aware of actual policy and legislation that happens in DC. They go by a vibe. And they go by who’s the best orator (see: Obama). And, yeah, Biden did not pass the vibe check last night. But he’s still that guy you work with whom you hate to be around because he’s awkward and smells bad but he’s not firable because he’s a decent keeps-to-himself dude and gets shit done better than most and your company is better with him than without him.
Aren't they both "senile knocking on death’s door old man"
Clown fucking world.
No, the immediate problem is that we know that people make decisions based on a vibe and who orates better and (out of all of the qualified people in the country) we still hang our hat (and the future of the country) on a poor orator with a bad vibe. It’s 2016 all over again and it seems like nobody’s learned a thing.
This shouldn’t be a hard race at all. Why are we insisting on handicapping ourselves like this?
It just needs to not be Trump at this point. Biden isn't a touchdown, he's a punt with the hopes that we can do better next time.
The problem is that the people who agree with your statement aren't the ones who we need to convince.
In my view too much is on the line to run Biden. He needs to voluntarily step down where then any younger fresh face that isn't Kamala can win simply by peoples' excitement for something different and youthful.
I fully agree with you but can also point to all of Biden's accomplishments and say, well, he's done very well, surprisingly well, thus far. I would much rather say, it's exciting to have fresh young blood in the White House that best represents the vast diversity of this country and the hope for its future. Being able to easily defend Biden's presidency isn't enough, if I'm being honest. But also, I mean do we really have to go over everything that DT fucked?
Worst election ever.
The problem is we're not given an opportunity to vote for who we want to be president. We vote against who we don't want.
RANKED. CHOICE. VOTING.
That’s not going to happen unfortunately, so the choice is Biden or Trump. Want better candidates? Ensure Biden wins and start to promote more progressive candidates in your local elections, then keep supporting them as they climb the political ladder.
Hoping for a last minute candidate swap for the Democrats is just a fantasy.
I'm sorry if I'm repeating some other response; often my Lemmy client can't load sub comments, and I see you already have 6.
I think we're voting for Kamala. She's not running because she can't win, not against Trump, and probably not against anyone else. She's even more unpopular than Biden, and the Right would have a field day if she were the front runner.
But, frankly, side by side, Trump looks more healthy and robust than Biden, and it's saying something. If Biden is elected, Kamala will be president before the end of his term.
I don't know if that's terrible; I don't particularly care for her, but she's better than Trump, and is on the right side of most of the issues I care about. Also, if she did a decent job and had some luck, she'd be able to run again for a second term, and we could get an unusual streak of three liberal(ish) terms.
As for Biden, a president's staff does most of the real work of any president; I think of a president more like the captain of a large ship: they take a lot of input from the crew, and make decisions. They don't gather the information or touch the controls; as long as they have a competent team, I suspect nearly anyone could functionally be president. As long as he's mentally capable of processing the information he's given and making rational decisions, he can do his job. I'm just no longer convinced he's going to be capable of that for a full term, and the way he's looking, I wouldn't be surprised if he physically failed in the next 4 years.
So: President Harris. I just hope they're putting effort into making sure she can step into the shoes quickly. If Biden can even win this election.
Biden, though. Dude's looking like Lo Pan from Big Trouble in Little China.
This is just as relevant for Trump. His running mate matters. Neither of them are statistically likely to survive a second term in office. One of them is a little bit older and appears to be more frail. The other one has a terrible diet with no exercise and could keel over from a heart attack or a stroke at any moment.
We should be talking about the VP picks much more than anyone is.
it just needs to not be trump, so let's punt on the election?
If anything, RFK's election results just skyrocketed.
We certainly aren't going to try a risky move like getting a candidate other than Biden elected. It's way too late to try to get the name recognition going. People know Biden, they know Trump. You could potentially split the vote which gives Trump the automatic win.
Ughh that’s what Neolibs and the DNC said 4 years ago when they force-fed the left Joe Biden
This is so dumb. The Democratic party coalesced around Biden. If more people wanted Bernie then they should've fucking voted for him in the primary.
I did but can easily recognize not enough of others did.
He's an unforced error. Still better than demolishing the field though.
by pollster Frank Luntz
Do better, Axios.
I don’t know the specific problem with that pollster but the general message of the headline still stands IMO.
Trump’s debate performance was awful, but so was Biden’s, and somehow because this country is weird as hell Biden is held to a much higher standard than Trump while also being immensely unpopular.
No. The message does not stand at all.
Frank Ian Luntz (born February 23, 1962) is an American political and communications consultant and pollster,[1][2] best known for developing talking points and other messaging for Republican causes. His work has included assistance with messaging for Newt Gingrich's Contract with America and public relations support for pro-Israel policies in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. He advocated use of vocabulary crafted to produce a desired effect, including use of the term death tax instead of estate tax, and climate change instead of global warming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz
This man is a propagandist. Do not use him as a source for anything. You might as well just listen to the Trump campaign if you're going to listen to him.
Trump’s debate performance was awful, but so was Biden’s, and somehow because this country is weird as hell Biden is held to a much higher standard than Trump while also being immensely unpopular.
Trump's performance as a debater was awful. He ignored the questions put to him, and frequently lied through his teeth. But, you could put a clip from this debate alongside a clip from his debate with Hillary 8 years ago, and not really see much of a difference.
The reason people are freaking out is that Biden's age was on full display here. His stutter was much more visible, his voice was raspy at times, and he frequently couldn't finish his thoughts before the mic went off. We also have a long history of his time in government to know how he used to be.
If this election turns into a referendum on Biden's age, he loses. Even though Trump is only 3 years younger. Trump doesn't show it.
Well, at least now they know how the rest of us feel about undecided voters
e; But yeah, Biden was not good (and that is not good for democracy in America and the general well being of the rest of the world)
I gotta say, I recognized both of those debate performances. One of them's the angry grandfather who's always complaining that his foreign neighbor is stealing his trash; the other's the nice grandpa who calls you by your cousin's name, then gives you $5 to go to a movie.
I wouldn't want either to babysit my kids - Trump because he'd steal my TV and throw out my avocados; Biden because he'd fall down the stairs and let the kids stay up to midnight eating ice cream.
But a President's job isn't really to be a subject matter expert on every policy. He's there to assemble a good team of policy matter experts and balance the needs of normal people against the power of megacorporations. And we have the rare opportunity to judge both grandpas on their past performance: Jared Kushner, Secretary of Everything; Janet Yellen vs Steve Mnuchin; Rick Perry vs Jennifer Granholm; Jeff Sessions & William Barr vs Merrick Garland.
Ehh, I'd say he was more boringly safe, especially for a lot of his in-country policy stuff.
And that's a good thing. The presidency is not meant to be glorious, exciting, or full of media magnet bombshells. Those generally mean that something has gone wrong.
Getting really sick of the media focusing only on what Biden did wrong rather than what Trump did wrong.
You know who just had the opportunity to focus on what Trump did (and is doing) wrong and flubbed it? Biden.
A vote for Biden is the easiest decision I'll make this year. Biden and his administration are doing solid work and I want to see more of it. Trump ensures genocide in Gaza. Trump ensures even more horrible acts in Ukraine by Russia. Trump ensures an even further conservative Supreme Court, further destroying and reversing settled law. Another 4 years of Trump will be a disaster.
But I know this already.
Any other generic Democrat would have kicked Trump's ass last night. Trump tells a lie, they correct it. Biden got a few blows in but he flubbed so many more.
Look at abortion, a layup for Democrats. America as a whole agrees with Democrats on the issue. What did Biden do? Fumbled and wandered into something about immigration.
The focus on Biden because we want better. Biden is better. Prove it.
Trump was Trump, as expected. There's nothing more to be said about him that hasn't already been said.
The consequence of biden positioning himself as "the guy to beat trump".
Would really like to meet the person that's undecided between Trump and Biden. I could understand someone staying home long before someone choosing between the two.
I think there are a lot of people who are so disconnected from the news, and their family and friend groups are similarly disconnected from the news, that it barely reaches them. They might be able to name the current president but not much else.
Those people won't have watched the debate.
I think you’re wrong in that anyone disconnected from the news only feels the effects of the presidency through the economy and most unkowledgable voters don’t like Biden because of inflation.
Undecided voters have to be uneducated people that don’t know enough to discern truth from lies and therefore take trump at face value.
Luntz's is Gingrich's do-boy. Downvoted for spreading his bullshit propaganda.
Biden did alright imo. People keep disregarding the substance of his arguments over his age.
People keep disregarding the substance of his arguments
Speaking as someone who thinks that much of the doomerism around the debate is premature...
These debates aren't about substance. They're about optics. And Biden didn't put on a good show last night. The only saving grace is that he was up against Trump.
Biden did well after 930pm.
I bet most people only watched the first 30 minutes. In fact, I bet most people went into their phones and stopped listening full-time within 10 minutes.
Biden was very bad at the start. Biden figured out the flow of things by 10pm but I think that was too late.
Put last nights Biden up against any option from the previous primaries. Even Harris. He looked and responded exceptionally poor last night and anyone else would have been a better option.
Yeah Biden fucking tanked. They should not have put him on that stage.
All of the responders voting to replace him is an achievement
Limp dick grandpas did a thing y'all!!!!