Hey, we should all really stop using racist slang to refer to customozation
Hey, we should all really stop using racist slang to refer to customozation
Meta post I've decided to make. I enjoyed the unixporn subreddit a lot when I used reddit more. I enjoy customizing my linux de as much as the next nerd.
But you definitely shouldn't use racist slang to refer to the process.
To be clear, I didn't know the origin of the term 'ricing' until fairly recently. I was chattimg with my friend and used it to describe my de setup. They informed me that apparently it's from car customization, and is a pejorative against generally asian men who customize their car to look like a racecar.
After learning this I was sad to realize just how engrained it is in linux de customization culture. I personally have stopped using the term, and I would ask everyone here stop as well.
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The arguments being made here are the same ones that were used for f*ggot, tr*p, nword, g*psy, r*dskins, etc etc etc.
It's the same damn thing every single time, a bunch of reactionaries will piss and whine and piss and whine and piss and whine because they have to make the most minimal amount of effort to adopt a new word in their vocabulary instead of the problem one. They will piss and whine forever until eventually accepting it, like all the others historically.
They join a long long line of pissy whiney losers for making the same tired old arguments we've seen for so many things before.
The problem in this thread was civil untill you(i.e. hexbear) decided to come in and spew your bullshit all over the thread as you always do.
You can save the “we came upon this thread organically” bullshit, I have seen no or almost no hexbear users in this community outside of this thread and now suddenly theres a swarm of you with your garbage ragebaiting and insults all over the place, somehow being upvoted despite most top level comments going against your agenda still being upvoted.
Hexbear is a plague on lemmy, I can’t wait for the day of instance-level blocking, but honestly I expect you will end up defederated from most major instances.
Ahhh yes the problem is that Hexbear came in and agreed it is racist, and then the racists threw a fit.
Lmao give it a rest. Calling you a racist isn't abuse, you just don't like being called on it and now you're pissing and whining about it.
Hexbear is a plague on lemmy, I can’t wait for the day of instance-level blocking
It'll be great, you lot will opt out of seeing us, and opt out of cultural opposition to us. Meanwhile the vast majority will not, and without the far right as a constant source of distraction, concern trolling and sealioning the leftist influence will be even higher.
The problem is that hexbear comes in and makes a civil thread on a minor issue a screaming match. As always you twist words, strawman every bit of the way and pull asumptions out of thin air.
You can call me a racist all you want, I don’t give a shit what you think. The funny thing is I hold most of the same values you probably do, except I do not make it a habbit to act like a toddler throwing a tantrum because mommy refused me my third choco milk.
It is funny that you think the vast majority will be with you when even blahaj is considering defeding from you.
minor issue
Casual racism != minor issue
Denial of racism != minor issue
Unless you're a racist
You can strip the argument of all nuance and make all the false
equivelancesdichotomies you want, but you can fuck right off with it while you are at it, go crawl back to your imaginary arguments in your black and white world, you are clearly not here to discuss anything in good faith. I will engage with hexbear when you offer something of substance besides your adolescent maximalism.There isn't any fucking nuance.
There is us pointing out something is racist.
There are racists claiming it is not.
There are racists claiming that the people calling you racist are being abusive for doing so.
That's it. That's the discussion. And you look pathetic for it. You were on the side of every other word I mentioned earlier too.
I don't understand how this was an issue of "lack of nuance" or "black and white" thinking... Either the term is racist or it is not? ... Is it disparaging a group of people based on racial/cultural/ethnic stereotypes? Yeah. Is it reinforcing and normalizing those stereotypes and upholding an ideal "normal" that is associated with being part of the dominant group? Yeah. Does it seem petty and pedantic? Racism generally does take on a petty and pedantic character... When you go out of your way to deny these things, you are only doing it in service of upholding racist norms. You don't have to continue to defend it, you can acknowledge that it could cause a community harm and move on with your life by avoiding the harmful behavior. Changing the way you speak might seem annoying or like an imposition, but if you think that racism is harmful and want to challenge it by being anti-racist, ultimately people have to change the way they think, speak, and behave... but it is a good change. Embrace it.
On you go with the imaginary argument. I am not with you so I must be against you, right? I do not have and never did have a problem with getting rid of the word.
I will reitterate that the only problem I have is with the stinking garbage heap called hexbear.
It is so interesting because I was engaging with you in a good faith, laying out an argument about why this might be more straightforward then you are letting on. But you called my argument imaginary and then called the instance I am a part of a garbage heap? Who is being uncivil?
Imaginary argument being your assumption that I have a problem with not using rice, I am not losing any more time replying to you than it does for me to take a shit or have a smoke, I won't type out 10 paragraph replies to people who care about nothing but throwing a temper tantrum. Go take your brigading dumpsterwagon of an instance elsewhere. This thread was more than civil untill your trash heap started spilling in. I swear to god you are the 4chan of the left, and even they weren't as cringe, at least they were reserved to their cesspool corner of the internet.
Boy I can't wait for instance blocking
we were being racist very calmly and politely!
Go eat some grass nerd
Along comes another troglodyte, mothers milk dripping off his lips, hurling insults at imaginary strawmanned arguments. But hexbear is totally not a problem instance.
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I see no pronouns in names on my end boss.
lol stfu you dweebs whine about our pronouns all day long
doubt all you wantOk, so you're not necessarily a transphobe, but just another of this string of month-old accounts who has barely been active on this site at all beyond throwing a tantrum about hexbear users "coming in and ruining everything".
Well I'd vager it is because we come to lemmy to escape reddit and all we see is hexbear users coming in and ruining everything. I mean as I stated earlier, even blahaj considering defedding from hexbear should be telling of the state of affairs. If that community has a problem with you, and that does not raise any flags, idk what does.
even blahaj considering defedding from hexbear should be telling of the state of affairs
I don't want to go all "well akshually" here, but actually we defedded from blahaj because the community is largely made up of r/196 users who post transphobic chaser shit without getting banned by the mods there. Yes, of course these people also have a problem with us because they're rabid anti-communists, but we defedded form them because they're a bunch of sex pests fetishizing and objectifying trans people and thinking it's ok to make demands about which genitals we're allowed to have to please their fetishes. Why should we stay federated with an instance like that?
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when a conservative gets unreasonably triggered they are 5-15x more likely to start projecting
mothers milk dripping off their lips
this is very evocative dr ratso, would you like to talk some more about your relationship with your mother?
weird of you to think of breastmilk, anything you want to tell us
drfatso
Lmao, is that supposed to hurt my feelings?
But wait. Hold your horses there mr inclusivity. Is that a fatshaming insult?
Seethe
Your comment does not belong in this subreddit. It does not add to the topic, if you think comments don't fit in the community do report them and move on.
Edit You also are quite a new user to the lemmy-verse from this month (compared to multiple year old users posting to you), which mostly is reducing the quality on communities on one hand and also got quite a few comments deleted. I urge you to read up on nettiquette and change your attitude if you want to be a positive contributing influence to this community.
Right, because hexbear coming in shitting on everyone and calling an entire community racist for unwittingly using a racist term in a context fairly removed from the original meaning is so helpful to discourse. Im only returning blows in kind. And I am so terribly sorry ye ole lemmy wizard, for speaking out of turn. Ill wait so I can speak with the rest of us, younglings.
"It's not common knowledge that this term has racist origins, but it does and we should stop using it" == "Y'all racist"
yes thanks
Yes, clearly, that is the cool an levelheaded contributions hexbear brought to this thread. Absolutely no gaslighting here.
idk man I'm just reading OP and the only thing called "racist" is the word itself
I never had a single problem with OP itself, the sauce is in the comments.
Nobody has called the entire community racist, the callouts have been exclusively to people like you defending a term that obviously plays with one of the most common racial stereotypes about East Asians. Taking a racist term out of context doesn't make the term not racist, it only means that a still racist term has gained even wider use.
Again I have personally not once defended the use of the term, I have only ever attacked hexbear code of conduct. I even stated that I am for not using it in a since (mod) removed comment. I thought the term was dumb even before I (like most of this comm) found out about the origins through this thread. The only context in which I have defended it is in this convo and only in the aspect of the response it has gotten from hexbear, which if you don't feel is entirely disproportionate, we have nothing more to talk about.
Again I have personally not once defended the use of the term
You're straight-up lying, kiddo.
Okay, quote up mommy/daddy!
It's mommy, please edit your post while i look up your defense of racism in the modlogs. I'd have to report you for purposefully leaving up a misgendering otherwise and i don't think your account will survive that after all these comments have already been removed.
Lmao, I won't idulge your powertrip, which at this point is blatant. I might have if you had actually asked nicely not through a thinly veiled threat. If it doesn't survive your report, so be it. Let the record show I included both versions because I had no clue what your pronouns are and I don't think your infantilizing response warrants any more respect from me than that.
This is an example of the American cultural imperialism someone else was whining about above. In the UK a f@ggot is a type of food. There are adverts on the telly for it. A fag is a cigarette. Gypsy is not necessarily perjorative (it appears as a category on the census). Not sure what tr*p is, but if it's tramp, that's a homeless person. Also, a fanny is ladybits.
tr*p
This is generally a censor of the word "trap". While it obviously has several non-slur meanings, it is also used as an extremely visceral anti-trans (and in particular, anti-transfem) slur :/
The implication is that transfem people are "secretly gay men trapping straight men into being attracted to them". It is associated with simultaneous sexualisation, homophobia, and transphobia >.<. If someone called me that IRL I would be seriously worried for my safety, as that's often the kind of thing people would say before either raping or killing or injuring a transfem person for """threatening""" their fragile sexuality, then using the trans panic defense.
The term got it's start on 4chan, and people used it for femboy characters in anime (who are often poorly translated and may actually be trans in a lot of cases), but the kind of dehumanisation aspect of it means it very very quickly became a viscious anti-trans slur :/
Ah, thanks.
Is f____t not used as a
pejorativeslur for gay men in the UK?I must revise my earlier reply. Watching a documentary about George Michael, it seems it was a current and offensive slur in the UK even decades ago. Apparently my childhood was sheltered from homophobia.
I've not heard it used so, but I imagine younger folk might use it that way, since we adopt US culture so much.
new world vocabulary.
lmao
Not sure I understand the joke?
Aren't you and OP whining too then about racism when a lot of people here make it mean something cool and inclusive (Linux Modding)?
It's called projection