Ukraine to fire all regional military recruitment chiefs
Ukraine to fire all regional military recruitment chiefs
President Volodymyr Zelenskiy broadened his battle against graft on Friday, firing all the heads of Ukraine's regional army recruitment centres as the war with Russia enters a critical stage.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851
Archived version: https://archive.ph/yDjTx
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/
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I knew from reading the headline that Hexbear's horde of mouthbreathers would show up to brigade and spread their propaganda. Sure enough, here we are
Edit: You guys really are just proving my point lmao
Learn how federation works
I think they know quite well how it works, and hexbear. Hence the comment.
If they understood it then either they are a conspiracy theorist or they wouldn't call it a "brigade"
Yet they say,
horde of mouthbreathers
Learn how defederation works
This is just a silly "no u". We're federated, not defederated, so one is relevant and not the other at the moment.
Do you think you'll stay federated?
We spent 3 years by ourselves having inane struggle sessions over things like outdoor cats. You think we give a shit about getting cut off?
Forever (◕‿◕)
do you even know who runs your instance and makes those decisions?
If they're going to be that stupid I'm not staying on the instance
go to lemmy.world loser
You are welcome to defederate yourself
Your leader likes defenestrating people
My leader uses the window
epic le comeback redditorino
Lemmy dot world is always there if you want an instance that defederates from leftists and federates with your "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" types.
Hexbear has been using Lemmy for years, technical issues around our active user count and having to rely on volunteer labour means we were only able to federate recently.
You're not leftists, you defend genocide and roleplay leftism
Defend genocide? Please elaborate. We definitely do not support the NATO led genocides of the third world
Behold he politics understander and one true leftist
Yep, and choosing who to federate with is part of it. GTFO.
Then go make your own private instance where you can federate with whoever you want and keep the mean old tankies out
mean old tankies out
Mask off already? Damn, that's kind of against the rules
What mask? I'm an ML and have never claimed otherwise on this account or its alts on any instance.
And being an ML isn't against the rules, so don't bog down our dear admins with superfluous reports.
"Tankies are bad."
Do you believe that that because you genuinely believe that capitalist nations like the United States and Russia are doing good things for the world, while "tankie" countries like Cuba and China are doing bad things for the world? Or do you believe that because you have been tricked by 100 years of racist propaganda that says socialists like Fidel Castro, Albert Einstein, and Martin Luther King were subhuman scum?
Known capitalist evil practices do not absolve tankies of wanting to impose communism by force.
You use the term "racist propaganda" interchangeably as anti-socialist propaganda...as if the only victims of capitalism were the victims of racism.
Who calls MLK and Einstein scum? Maybe Fidel was called that by right-wingers during the Cold War. Why did you mix and match those 3? Why not Emma Goldman or Gorbachev, if you're just naming random socialists (I'm not even sure MLK ever explicitly considered himself a socialist).
I'm not even sure MLK ever explicitly considered himself a socialist.
Well then.
"I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Today, capitalism has out-lived its usefulness." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell." - Martin Luther King Jr.
(from https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/21/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-martin-luther-king-jr)
It says a lot about the education system wherever you come from that you never learned MLK was a socialist. He HATED capitalism! Hated it! Also, the scientist Albert Einstein was a prominent socialist who wrote a famous article, "Why socialism?" explaining in detail why he was a socialist. Einstein and MLK believed in the same anti-capitalist struggle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Socialism%3F
Good, as long as you're not a Brezhnevian tankie, it's all good.
lmao How many times has that worked on anyone, honestly? Like I'm just gonna wake up one day and say, "yeah, you know what, my entire worldview has been shattered by @KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net whispering sweet commie propaganda in my ear"
Idk why you are all on stuck on the tankie shit like it matters that much to me. Like I said previously, I don't have a problem with the Christians for being Christian, but just like you tankies, the fandom is weird, intense and circlejerky af
IDK man. You're basically saying "Why are you stuck on that environmentalist shit? It doesn't matter to me. Go worry about climate change somewhere else, stop bothering me."
My brother in christ. Climate change will affect you whether you want it to or not. Capitalism will affect you whether you want it to or not. You can't just be "out" of it. You can't not take a side in whether the earth gets destroyed or not (environmentalism) or whether 90% of the world's population is plunged into neo-feudal slavery. You're either with the slave-owners or against them. You gotta pick a side!
Shut up, commie, I'm not buying your propaganda bullshit with your half-assed analogies and your little tricks. I can see right through you lol
The delusions have become paranoid
Who is 'tricking' you, and how? What the ever living fuck are you talking about?
I am immune to propaganda
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Oh fuck they figured us out, you're the first person we couldn't trick. You truly are capitalisms bravest soldier. I'm sure that'll matter when the rich go to space or bunkers or whatever.
Lmao scientific facts are tricks now?
Lemme go get my white grocery bags
ok he walked off and the tanks kept going? what are you saying? have you even seen the whole video
Bruh, it was a throwaway reply just like that stupid meme. What are you even replying to looking for a meaningful argument, honestly
It doesn't count that I said something stupid! It doesn't count because I wasn't serious! It doesn't count because I didn't think about it! That means I get away with saying stupid things!!
"ching ching" What a wasted opportunity. Man, you guys suck at your own memes lol
please show us this rule
I present you the side bar ->
- Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
- No NSFW content
- No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc
is the "no tankie" rule in the room with us right now?
propaganda
Nee help reading? I'll spell it out: P-R-O...
P-A-I-N-E
L-A-P-S-E
S-T-A-T-E
OK what is and isn't propaganda aside, can you explain how merely saying "I'm a tankie" is "posting propaganda"?
we're communists, jan
You don't say! I would've been clueless like walking into a room full of vegans
Jokes on you lib,
tooof course
we're all vegan and we're coming to burn down your farms
This site is significantly vegan to the point where there is cw on pics of food from animals.
We were invited here by the Lemmy.ml mods on behalf of their community. If the majority of users on Lemmy.ml wanted us gone then the Mods wouldn't have federated with us in the first place. Maybe you misread the community you joined 2 months ago? The mods of Lemmy.ml sure as heck didn't misread hexbear before federating with us.
I guess I should switch servers then
If you make your own instance, you can curate your own whitelist
on behalf of their community
Oh sure 😂
The mods of Lemmy.ml sure as heck didn’t misread hexbear before federating with us
They sure as hell aren't gonna misread the comment sections now
What's hilarious is that you think your mods are on your side in this fight. Why did you think they invited us here?
You've been here for two months. You don't know what the history of the website is. You don't know the character of its administrators. I've got a secret for you: they're leftists like us. In fact the whole lemmyverse was created by Marxist-Lenninists. This must be the very first time you've ventured out of your information bubble. Welcome. We're going to bully the shit out of you until you can behave amicably. Did you think you could just show up to someone else's community and start acting like you owned the place? There will be no eternal september here.
I don't mind leftists, but I do mind genocide defenders like you.
Then fucking check yourself, liberal. When you abuse the word 'genocide' you diminish it. You are doing the work of the nazis in making what they did (and this is what the westerner thinks of when they use the word genocide) seem no worse than the things you apply the label to in your cynicism or ignorance. And this was their literal strategy. Google "the double holocaust myth". When they were still in uniform they applied this strategy to the USSR (which could be one of the examples you're vagueposting at me over). You will find, if you dig into that search, documentation by Jewish hate watch groups to that effect.
I fucking mind genocide denial as much as you pretend to. So knock it the fuck off.
And go fuck yourself for calling me that.
You don't know what leftism or genocide is
Most people on lemmy came here because they didn't like the way reddit was moderated. If you don't like how Lemmy.ml s moderated you can go somewhere else like back to reddit or make your own instance. "Be the change you want to see in the world." This is 100% a "you" problem and it is funny (in a sad sort of way) that you think otherwise.
Most people on lemmy came here because they didn’t like the way reddit was moderated
Duh, and somehow irrelevant, but nice try
I'm not gonna let some scumbag tell me to leave. Federating with you all has made this site worse and we'll see how well this goes. This is not a "me" problem, but a "you bunch of scumbags" problem.
I'm not telling you to leave. I kinda like you. All I have to do is exist and you suffer. I don't really care if you to suffer but it does validate my self worth that I can effect you so easily. Your stubbornness makes me like you more because you refuse to disengage from validating my ego.
My previous comment was just trying to be fair and explain why leaving Lemmy.ml was the only likely way to end your pain at having to hear opinions you don't agree with but I guess I made it too complex. Enjoying your suffering is only fair if you are doing it of your own free will.
You also aren't using the "you problem vs me problem" meme correctly. The idea is that a "you problem" is something that only inconveniences you and and thus you are the one who has to fix it. We "bunch of scumbags" are actually quite happy with how things are going and as such wont be trying to change anything. And I as I was trying to explain I doubt anyone else (AKA moderators) is going to come fix things for you.
I hope you continue to spend lots of time on Lemmy.ml (you know the M L stands for Marx and Lenin right?) We hexagonal ursines will enjoy our time visiting here.
What a fever dream. TL;DR?
How do you know it is a fever dream if you didn't read it?
If you can't read something under 300 words you really don't have an opinion that matters.
Bruh that's a one minute read
It's not a click bait sensationalist headline.
New study shows that both Democrats and Republicans demonstrate low levels of reading comprehension
"Scumbag"= "Anyone who is opposed to me, the main character of reality"
"Scumbag" = "Shitheads looking someone to pile on and shit on because they said something the horde didn't like"
Sorry, I forgot I'm supposed to be the NPC here and lay on the floor soaking punches for your pleasure
Fucking scumbag
Na , the NPC is then a "NPC" if he can not process new information , thereby he lays on the Floor repeating the same old "Offical Narrative" , like he was Programmed to... therefore NPC
here can you process this new information ? This is a Test , Are you somebody that repeats or are you somebody that thinks ... here @Lemminary@lemmy.ml ,.. you can now Test yourself , Bladerunner.. , NPCs can not Process Images , can you ?
but nice try
Wandering into a communist website and refusing to leave lmao have fun baby
Lmfao I don't think you guys get it. I'm not against communism 😂 This isn't politics. But just like with the Christians, I having trouble with the fucking fandom right now. JFC you all are awful in every way. Funny because I keep getting called a Redditor for some reason and yet you all reply just like them.
When everyone you meet is a scumbag, maybe it's not us, maybe it's you?
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You got me there! I admit that I absolutely did not read that stupid AMA
fact does not align with me
STOOPIDSTOOPIDSTOOPIIIDDDDDD
* huffs neoliberal copium *
how dare u NATO is defensive whitemanburden russiachinabaddddd
" 😂" does not fool anyone in the year 2023, everyone knows "😂" means
I actually dont can you tell me lol
Imagine emojis having different meanings outside your circlejerk. It's hard to imagine the world outside, huh
Yeah to be fair it can also mean
Yep, in your bubble, but if you step outside some time...
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Can I get a serious answer to this question? How can you possibly think that such counter culture opinions can be born out of a bubble? These are not messages that you will ever get to see on a mainstream website like reddit or in any major publication ect.
Can you please confront your use of this thought terminating cliche?
Huh??? Did you make that choice?
Someone who can will in a minute, if y'all keep this up. I'm not worried.
My man here thinks he's still on reddit.
Umm, I don't think you realize how the fediverse has panned out in the last year, but go off with your lame attempts at an insult
Umm, I don't think you realize
Holy shit I didn't believe people like you were realPointing right back at'cha
Lemmygrad was the federated instance in the last year lmao
we've been on lemmy for 3 years. when did you join again?
Damn, the threshold for responding with your teenage dreams as an emote keeps getting lower and lower. You wish I was that upset lol
🌽
Whatever that means, you first
🌽 🌽
I love watching a good spitroast
Damn, I expected more tbh It gives "Does your momma know you're gay" vibes, ngl
Idk how to break it to you guys, but the magic corn cob does nothing to someone who can't give two shits about it. It's hard to hear, but please don't cry.
(Besides, it looks like you're creepily inviting people to some kinky fun times and that's infinitely more hilarious. Like I said, you all suck at your own memes.)
casual homophobia, cool!
Die mad about it
what happened to
?Brigading is whenever a Hexbear user uses the site like literally everybody else that got here.
Brigading is when a post shows up in your all tab and you comment on it
Brigading is when you federate and use the federation
federation isn't brigading. a post shows up in our feeds, we click on it and comment because helping people dodge the draft is cool and good. We're one of the largest instances, and the consensus we have on issues like "conscription is bad" should not be taken as coordination on the part of hexbear users. If we did deliberately coordinate we'd all link you clowns to the thread where we did it because it would be funny.
No but it's weird that I never see any comments supporting Ukraine from hexbear users. Like the country was invaded, there is evidence of massive human rights atrocities. It is beyond the pale that so many people would just coincidentally celebrate every piece of bad news for the people being invaded and spin everything negatively against them. One would expect some diversity of opinions from any reasonably large instance but hexbear users all act like pro-russian trolls.
it’s weird that I never see any comments supporting Ukraine from hexbear users
Over on Hexbear and Lemmygrad we don't take kindly to neo-nazis
sorry but that's just how it isWhat does that have to do with Ukraine defending itself against an unprovoked invasion?
What about the 8 years they spent provoking it?
Time is linear, except that part. 2014-2022? What's that?
Propaganda is when you say the same thing Reuters, CNN, WSJ, etc are all saying about draft corruption in Ukraine lol
Actually mediabiasfactcheck.org says that Reuters is highly objective!
Zero pinnochios! That sounds very trust worthy!
Hexbear's horde of mouthbreathers
Main Character Syndrome is symptomatic of lib-brain. SAD!
Never heard of hexbear but why does an instance that claims to be leftist use Trump memes and back Russia?
Trump is funny. Obviously. Terrible but hilarious. We don't back Russia we just understand NATO to generally be far more destructive and deadly. That's just old Tom Bombadilaros thoughts.
That's so dumb... To consider a defensive alliance more destructive and deadly that a corrupt state waging a war of expansion
Hell yeah brother we defended the shit out of Libya
A defence of what? The people who invented global warming? Nah, hard pass.
Sure it's defensive, I just wish the people it's defending were attacked more
NATO is a defensive alliance
– every white neofascist
A Defensive alliance made up of all the great colonial powers.
Defensive alliance that bombs every third world country that dares to go against the interests of the imperial core? Who are they "defending again?
Also how much has NATO expanded since the end of the cold war with its mafia protection racket style tactics in Europe?
Serbia, Libya, and Afghanistan were all defensive operations.
"That's so dumb, to consider a defensive alliance with the Serbian Black Hand more destructive and deadly than the Central Power's Imperialism waging a war of expansion" -Average Allied Nations Second International Member, 1914
defensive alliance
NATO is defensive? lol, lmao
a corrupt state
That's Ukraine, it used to be considered the most corrupt place in Europe by the Western media right until February 2022
waging a war of expansion
That's also Ukraine since they're trying to take territory from the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics after they declared independence following the coup against Viktor Yanukovych in 2014
this is why we support Russia (Donbass to be Precise ) , this is also why Propagnda does not only happens to "other people" Mr. @Revanee@lemmy.one
A military alliance of several superpower nations VS one angry revanchist state. Who's more dangerous?
Russia - starts wars and threatens nuclear holocaust - you sleep
NATO - literally just exists - you wake
Russia's #1 export is troll farms and that's why Russia is the most hated country in the world. Y'all just give people more reason to hate Russia.
NATO - literally just exists - you wake
How many millions of civilians were murdered/killed/starved/driven from their homes/displaced by American and NATO led imperialist wars such as the bombing of Yugoslavia, the invasion of Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya, or Isr*el's genocidal occupation of Palestine, which is proudly supported by the US and NATO?
Fewer than Russia but you LOVE when Russia does it.
You honestly think less civilians were killed in all those things COMBINED than by Russia? Really? That's actually one of the most wild liberal claims I've ever seen, and thats saying something. You've lost attachment to reality.
Prove me wrong. If you can't, well of course you're a troll farm and you're part of the reason Russia has a reputation as the shitstain of the world.
You made the extraordinary claim. Your job to provide proof.
Also I'm an American communist from New England. One of the posts on my profile is about weird shit in the American Pie movies. Another recent one you can actually see is about Skyrim. Clearly troll farm shit. (I'd point out the idea that the Kremlin would bother to astroturf lemmy is INSANE, but that ones been falling on deaf ears because you all are so self important).
Show me the numbers, liberal. Post your source for that wild claim.
Ukraine war ALONE is over 350,000. The one that Russia started after telling lies about training operations.
Russia is a murder and lie machine. Russia's primary exports are murder, lies, and nuclear terrorism.
You're counting both sides but then blaming only Russia lol? Hard to take that seriously. Give us Ukrainian deaths, preferably only civilian deaths, and then we might have a conversation.
Russia's primary exports are murder, lies, and nuclear terrorism.
That would be the United States actually. Especially the last thing since Russia has never nuked anyone and America has.
nuclear terrorism
who has Russia nuked
Putin has threatened to use nukes as recently as this year.
Are you defending a dictator who threatens to start a nuclear holocaust?
You ignorant gnome. We hate Russsia more than you. Russia is the liberal democratic nation built by the US from the corpse of our comunist forebears. I'd ask if you ever read a history book but your Midwest tag proves the only ones you got were written by Haliburton so it isn't your fault you are the way you are. If I wver visit your region I must try to trap you I in a circle of salt and force you to actually read some theory.
Russia is not liberal or democratic. It is a corrupt capitalist oligarchy/dictatorship with limited human rights. It was built by the US from the corpse of the USSR.
Y'all claim to hate Russia but also spend a suspicious amount of time defending it.
Also, just do a quick browse of midwest.social vs hexbear. Your instance acts and talks like 4chan or the_donald.
If I wver visit your region I must try to trap you I in a circle of salt and force you to actually read some theory.
Is it an actual book or is it wojak spam, because I love reading but your wojak spam is insufferable.
We are a quarrelsome bunch. We do not deny this.
Literally just existing, chilling, sprinkling unexploded cluster bombs throughout the country side for Ukrainian children to step on for generations to come, vibing.
dog how can you be this clueless about NATO and still have such a strong opinion lmao
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1052756
the idea of NATO "just existing" is a straight up rejection of history
NATO - literally just exists
HOLLLLLYYYY FUCCCKKKIIIINNNNGGG SHIIIIIIIITTTTTT
we all love biden and our liberal queen hillary clinton, light itself 
We also use Hillary Clinton and Biden memes, doesn't mean we support them lmao.
Ever heard of this thing called "irony"? Might be worth checking out
Because Russia is the same as America in pretty much every way. So it is fascist infighting. Trump is also the same as pretty much the same as every other president. Liberals just hate him for idiosyncratic reasons. So it is funny
Russia is America's every bad quality dialed up to 12 on steroids. Russia actually manages to make America look good, that's just what a steaming pile of garbage Russia is. The bar is so low even America can get over it.
NATO - starts wars and keeps the meat grinder rolling all in the furtherance of capitalist dogma - you sleep
Russia - literally just exists - you wake
NATO’s #1 export is war and that's why NATO is hated around the world. Y'all just give people more reason to hate NATO.
Russia starting a war with 350,000 casualties and threatening to nuke the West is not literally just existing. If Russia wanted to literally just exist, they never would have literally invaded another country while lying about "training exercises".
You're pro-Russian terrorism, it's not a good look.
NATO encircled a world power and for the last couple decades have worked to instigate a war that has led to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people on the gamble that Russia would fall and allow the west to loot the country, exactly as they plan to loot a war torn Ukraine. For capitalism.
You’re pro-NATO terrorism, it’s not a good look.
That's pure speculation.
You literally have to create a fantasy about NATO doing something in the future to justify Russia actually doing evil things right now.
Being pro imaginary terrorism is way better than being pro real terrorism.
NATO started this war by intentionally instigating Russia into conflict, using Ukraine as a proxy. Multiple times NATO have stood in the way of peace talks. That’s terrorism.
Russia, defending ethnically Russian peoples against a state government hostile to their continued existence, and guarding against being encircled by NATO is not terrorism it’s kindergarten level geopolitics
This is true. Maybe nato has a history of behavior we could investigate to see what their likely actions are going forward... Yeah, turns out it is a literal nazi army created to do war crimes to keep capitlaism strong.
This is true. Maybe nato has a history of behavior we could investigate to see what their likely actions are going forward... Yeah, turns out it is a literal nazi army created to do war crimes to keep capitlaism strong.
Literally makes no sense because capitalism would still be just as strong without NATO.
I'm just here to laugh at bazinga dorks crying for mods
Very cool that the moment someone says "brigading" I can look at their profile and see, yup they joined in June. Wonder why that is 🤔
Idk if "commenting on a post from another instance that showed up in my feed because the instance I use is federated with that instance" is brigading.
No you dont understand, if I dont want you here then youre a PEST whose ATTACKING ME so you need to leave, mkay?
The wild canuck rages, for it has no values or culture to share
we've been doing lemmy shit for 3 years, youre brigading
Every wonder why this kind of liberal belief never just naturally develops in new communities like ours? Notice how they always have to insert themselves from outside and takeover modding to have any relevance? Yeah, that.
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Oh man, that brings me back to the days when r/cth used to brigade other subs. Those were the times.
Never thought I'd live long enough to see it again...
The best part was that it was always just the fact we were all terminally online and saw the same frontpage threads as everyone else. It was (almost) never an actual brigade, just the result of having a bunch of very active posters with better politics than the average redditor. That's all it took to make the worst people on reddit
over being unable to consistently silence people with better opinions than their own.
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the specter of stalins floating spoon haunts us to this day
Who's Hexbear?
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I just looked, and I think it'd be more accurate to call it a Neo-Bolshevik cesspit.
I know. They like to spread dangerous misinformation that helps Russia and Trump take over the world. It sucks. I wish we had an instance just for us anti-authoritarians.
Sounds like Tommy Needy Drinky.
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And it's better than yours
It's not a who, it's an instance: hexbear.net. It's also full of pro-Russia tankies.
Uh… Is there a reason why I’ve never heard of this?
They were not federated before. They did around 9 days ago.
They only were recently federated, and got defederated from some large instances like lemmy.world for their explicit intent to brigade other instances and communities to spread their "anti-liberal" nonsense.
Russian troll farms have hit lemmy = lemmy has made it to the social media big leagues now!
When you've hit the lemmyverse
checks notes
Three years ago... Huh.
Crying about "tankies" is just calling everything "woke" with extra steps. Not everyone there automatically supports NATO/Ukraine but it's far from what you describe.
There are still significant numbers of people denying the genocide currently happening and actively rooting for the invaders, which is why I pointed it out. There's a reason they have been defederated by so many large instances. This has nothing to do at all with anything "woke" and I don't see why you'd even bring it up.
Edit: I just had a look at their frontpage and the first post there is about how the "western MSM" lied about the counteroffensive and how "Stalin shouldn't have stopped at Berlin". Yeah, alright. lmao
Republican: "Everything to the left of me is woke."
Republican pretending to be liberal online: "Everything to the left of me is tankie."
At the end of the day it's a word that can mean anything you want, and is only useful as a tactic to divide resistance against right wingers.
If you're so eager to defend a military conscription/draft, why don't you go and fight on the frontline yourself? This whole article is about Zelenskyy cracking down on Ukrainian citizens avoiding the conscription because they don't want to be sent into the meat grinder that is the heavily fortified front lines.
It's always those that face the least consequences from war that are the most eager for it to continue.
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If you feel more comfortable in your bubble go back to it
Uh yeah... I'm thinvking it's hexbear time
Hexbear users rushing to bombard this comment with image reactions to say they're not brigading
Are hexbear users in this room right now?
no
cap
You act like whining about other people being on the same website as you isn't incredibly toxic behavior that deserves to be bullied.
Hexbear has been on Lemmy longer than 99% of instances. Unfortunately we were only able to enable federation recently due to technical issues.
So how are hexbear users the brigaders? Using your logic, you are the brigaders lol.
You're exactly correct! Lmao
I play "count the fallacies" with the comments. So far I've seen: ad homonim; what-about-ism; strawman ; appeal to popularity ; appeal to authority ; hasty generalization / ecological fallacy
I get bored well before I stop counting
Lol I don't even bother with reading anything they say at all. I just block anyone who's on Hexbear, I must have half the instance blocked. And my experience browsing Lemmy has been so much better for it!
God y'all really can't help yourself with the debatelord shit huh?
this is a pee pee poo poo fallacy actually
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GOD i hate these STUPID hexbears SO much it makes my SKIN crawl... Sure hope they're not reading this thread and brigading you.. Eek!
Nah, don't hate them, that's a strong emotion for something so inconsequential. Just think they don't add value to conversation other than trolling, so I'd rather not see that.
But sure feel free to think this is some weird persecution that's going on, if that makes your day that's fun I guess?
Spoken like somebody who is definitely not mad.
You'll be shocked to hear then I genuinely don't care, but it seems you're intent on acting as if I do, why do you care so much? Kinda find it interesting, would love you to elaborate.
Like ignore the trolling for a second, I'd genuinely be interested in your motivations as to why you're intent on spending time having fruitless conversations?
Besides, growing up gay, a little trolling isn't going to really hurt my feelings, I've had way worse than whatever you guys can come up with :D
Definitely, definitely not. mad.
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You came out the gate with big mad tantrum insults, and now you expect people to have a dialogue with you?
You were never interested in "trying to have a conversation"
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“Everyone knows that the left and the right are the same and that the REASONABLE MODERATE CENTER is best! Right? Right? It’s not as though Biden is a war criminal rapist segregationist and virtually the twin brother of Trump, right? America might have some problems (ongoing slavery, genocide, imperialism, civilizational suicide via climate change) but it’s still overall a force for good, right????”
I get that you guys love seeing trump do stupid shit and abuse his power as president, because it vindicates your view of the US government, but still, the asshole that tells his fans to harass people and shits on rule of law is objectively worse than the ones who didn't, please. I thought one of hexbear's redeeming qualities was at least anti-homophobia, anti-misogyny, etc. This whole "trump is no worse than anyone else" is just crypto-trumpism and one example of why you guys are accused of being the lefty version of MAGAts.
Roe v. Wade was undone and LGBTQ+ rights are collapsing with Biden and the Democrats running the country. Biden also regularly sends the police to deport and/or imprison anyone who isn’t white. Nobody loves or funds the 100% nazi police more than Biden; Biden has actually signed MORE drilling permits than Trump. Biden and Trump are fascists, as are you for excusing them.
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I’ve got friends who were trained by greenpeace to climb nuclear power plants
lol what
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the marxist party in my country in Europe
I’m frightened to ask about what their positions are on any policy at all. Let me guess: do what amerikkka says or your are helping putler. That kind of “marxist”?
Yeah, they are indeed crypto fascists, you are so right. Man you are the smartest person ever right? If only I could enjoy a second of your wise divination powers. Why ask, you already kkknow the answer!
And ofc you bring up Putin, should've expected it. A bit sad though simping for potentially the richest guy on the planet, who has been running a private army that's busy doing modern day imperialism in Africa. Such improvements! It's way better the mines are exploited by Russians instead of French!
Yeah no my ideals don't make me choose between two evils, I reject them both, but hey if you want to support Russian authoritarianism that's your choice, it's just not equality or leftism.
“I reject them both” = i luv amerikkka
It’s really amazing. “I reject them both, but very curiously I only criticize one. Why could that be?“🤔
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Your assumption that Ukraine is an independent country is already an implicit endorsement of American imperialism and slavery. Ukraine has not been independent since the Maidan Coup in 2014. There are recordings of Victoria Nuland confirming this; to deny it means that you are living in a fantasy realm, one paid for with the blood of slaves in the global south. And when you recognize that American imperialism and settler colonialism is a boot on the neck of the global south, you likewise understand that anyone fighting it deserves our critical support, even if they are not angels. Besides, even if everything liberals say about Russia is true, the Iraq War alone is and was a far greater crime than anything [the liberal Harry Potter-esque fantasy of] Putin could dream of. And besides, wasn’t the modern nation state of Russia created by American liberals in the first place? How much money did Clinton give Yeltsin in the 1990s?
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My Ukrainian friends disagree and I'll have to defer to their judgement seeing they live there.
Which Ukrainian friends? The ones with swastikas tattooed to their foreheads?
Your idea of "independent" is also a country subjugated to Russia. What an improvement! Not withstanding that Putin's own war declaration speech denied the existence of a Ukrainian cultural identity, calling them all Russians. You are literally supporting someone who consider an entire culture as lesser not worthy of existence. Wow, such great ideals you hold!
This is projection and genocide denial, but scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Why did the Maidan coup government ban the Russian language in Ukraine and wage a campaign of extermination in the east claiming thousands of lives? Why did this government construct a statue to Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Lviv? Why are all socialist parties outlawed in Ukraine? Why does the Ukrainian constitution make reference to preserving the genetic purity of Ukrainian blood? Isn’t all of this strongly suggestive of the possibility that Ukraine is, in fact, run by Nazis, as almost everyone outside of the imperial core (and nearly half of Ukrainians themselves) believes?
You delude yourself into thinking Russia is "fighting your fight", all I see in your argument is one boot replacing the other. If only you could live under the yoke of Russia to see what kind of nightmare you'd be living under.
It’s extremely clear to me as a Jewish person that anyone fighting Nazis is a potential friend. But maybe for someone whose grandparents were probably Nazis themselves, it’s not so clear. I’m afraid of asking you your opinion about the Roma people or immigrants fleeing capitalist devastation in Africa or the Middle East—I’m guessing your ideas and actions happen to just coincidentally line up with those of Nazis in these cases as well?
You delude yourself "one greater evil justifies another unrelated evil", that's a really messed up moral compass. Do you also support Israel's actions then because what happened to them in ww2? What evils are allowed to happen, and which ones aren't in your strange moral compass.
Israel should not exist. I always support the world’s workers—while you support the tiny minority of people who enslave them and drink their blood.
Ironically they support Russia, the bastion of leftism
Hexbear User here: where did you see people claim Putin's Russia being a bastion of leftism?
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My minority, lgbtqia+, suffers daily in Russia
I'm going to let someone more educated on the geopolitics involved handle the rest of this (hopefully someone will) but i really want to zero in on this because.
there are like, 2 cishet people on all of Hexbear. Its like the most queer space on the internet thats not explicitly only for queer people.. It is AGRESSIVLY pro-trans, and purged the slightest hints of transphobia in its early days. The admin team is 100% queer i'm pretty sure.
We think the oppression of queer people in Russia is bad. Whatever support an individual Hexbear has for Russia, its not for Putin's regime or the Russian government. It is, as you yourself say, opposition to NATO. Again, I'm not going to get into the why of that, but please don't imply that we support the Russian government's oppression of queer people.
https://hexbear.net/comment/3717499
This one is very much pro Russia, as he himself said in the comments.
As he refers to it as needing our "critical support"
I've never had as heated of a discussion online as I've enjoyed with your community. This isn't a good thing. It feels as if members of your community thrive on the negative emotions rather than productive debate. The few normal responses I've gotten from people like yourself are too far in between.
I do appreciate your normal response. I know your community is an inclusive space, but personally as a member myself of the lgbtqia+ community it's not a space I would consider welcoming for the aforementioned reason.
I've been called a Roma hater, ironic as I even donate to them, that I must have swastika tattooed Ukrainians as friends, and that obviously I must be a fascist.
It's unironically the unsafest safe space I've ever encountered. I hope the sample I received is not indicative, but at this point I don't think it matters anymore.
What do you think critical support means?
It's unironically the unsafest safe space I've ever encountered.
If that's really true, you may well be the most sheltered person on earth.
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Spare me the self-righteousness, if "the people I was rude too were rude back to me" is something you can describe as "the most unsafe space I have ever encountered" without feeling deeply embarrassed, then you have no business trying to pontificate about what actually marginalised people endure. No amount of cope about how you're totally definitely not big mad, but your girlfriend in Canada is, will change that.
English isn't my first language but elaborate how "Russia needs our critical support" isn't a support of Russia.
So you didn't know what it meant, but you used it to insult someone anyway?
It means support from a place of criticism, in the sense of "I don't agree with them in general, but align on certain things".
Look, I'll back up a bit and try to be more sincere here. There are three points I would like you to consider. The first is that your own behaviour has not exactly been free of toxicity. The second is that we on hexbear are used to liberals coming in with naked bad faith hostility, so we've, unfortunately fallen to the habit of responding in kind. This leads into my third point; the hostility you describe sounds basically like the bog standard normal that I've experienced when trying to converse in mainstream liberal spaces; Hexbear is one of the few spaces where I'm not showered with abuse for the crime of having a political alignment outside the overton window of a country I'm not even from.
if “the people I was rude too were rude back to me” is something you can describe as “the most unsafe space I have ever encountered” without feeling deeply embarrassed
I've exactly responded to you about that already. I agreed with you on that, I don't think I can level with you more than I have already and repeating it would make me a broken clock. You can re-read that here: https://programming.dev/comment/1902404
That however doesn't mean we can't move past that, I was hoping you could see that in my response to you there, but the way you've responded to me here was again, an attempt at inflaming things. Which confuses me as your current response is actually nice and normal.
So you didn’t know what it meant, but you used it to insult someone anyway?
I was being sarcastic. That still means support for them. I would never support the US in the Iraq war even if it was against a dictator because I know the US does not have the best interest of the Iraqi people in mind. Similarly Russia (at least Putin) has said he does not have Ukrainians' best interest in mind, as he believes their culture shouldn't exist, it's a mistake they exist. That was in his war declaration speech. I will take him at his word, because why would he lie about that?
I'm also not sure why you'd think that is an insult? Also that posters' follow up comment referred to my Ukrainian friends, families that are now refugees because of a war as "head tattooed swastika'd nazi's". Yeah that's totally normal..
The first is that your own behaviour has not exactly been free of toxicity
Oh definitely, I originally was going to write to the response/poster above you that "it might be best if I refrained from interacting as this is the first time I'm having a difficult time to not respond respectfully" (well honestly I'd never respond respectfully to a Nazi, but you all aren't that, you deserve understanding). But at this point every time were it simmers down someone, comes barging in and throws some negative response my way such as "oh poor you, so sheltered" as if it's productive in any shape or form. Aside from my OP I've responded to individuals in kind, both negatively and positively, it's hard to respond positively to someone calling me a Roma hater, or telling me I voted for fascists however, so in those instances I will definitely respond negatively.
I've always tried to respond respectfully even if my first post was coloured by my interactions with the community. And you can re-read my responses to see exactly that. Even to the poster I responded to before you came in I said I appreciated the more normal response I got.
are used to liberals coming in with naked bad faith hostility, so we’ve, unfortunately fallen to the habit of responding in kind
the hostility you describe sounds basically like the bog standard normal that I’ve experienced when trying to converse in mainstream liberal spaces
I'm really sorry you went through that, you really shouldn't have. Though I don't see why that means you feel free to respond to me in that manner, I'm not a liberal or the person who perpetuated that abuse on to you.
And without doxxing myself (which at this point I'd never thrust your community, which I think you'd understand) I also cannot prove I actually voted for the marxist party (which one of your community members rightly referred to as fascist ofcourse /s ). I'm merely pointing out that's extremely dangerous for when you get it wrong. I do believe you can see that.
Hexbear is one of the few spaces where I’m not showered with abuse for the crime of having a political alignment outside the overton window of a country I’m not even from.
I'm absolutely happy you get to enjoy that, I really mean that. To me the individual always deserves respect even if the ideology is something I disagree with (and I don't disagree with hexbear's ideology, I mostly agree). Exception for Nazi's for obvious reasons though.
Sounds like someone else has already explained the critical support thing to you, I didnt really understand the term at first either and English IS my first language, so I actually understand this one.
I hope you can see that my comrade's defensive stance is because of past experiances and not anything personal.
I actually dont disagree that people here sometimes make unfair assumptions about the person they're talking to. I remember the human and understand where they're coming from and why that assume that though (past experiences with people who are like that). I wish my friends would try to remember the human more too, but I get why they can forget because of their experiences. I hope that makes sense.
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I can actually understand all that very well. Sorry about your negative experience
I do want to mention one thing though
it’s this that made me consider your community dangerous, especially for minority groups.
Our "weaponized anger" is quiet frequently used in defense of minority groups, particularly trans people. She's gone now but one of our original admins, TransComrade69, was militantly defensive of trans people and it really shaped how our community formed. We also do our best to do the same for other queer people, bipoc, the disabled and nuerodiverse, women, the poor, and (most relevant to the arguments we get into here) people from the global south.
But I actually do understand how our community's stance can be offputting for some people and wouldnt recommend it to just anyone, even leftists.
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I did not know Redditors were supposed to be the supreme non-mouthbreathers. NATORedditor IQ is really similar to /b/ lol
I've been interacting with them recently to see what they are all about and lmao I don't think I've ever had a dumber discussion in my life. Truly they are uniquely stupid.
"Opposing military conscription is stupid" and other hot takes from westerners that have never had to fight a war at home.
How is it stupid to oppose Zelenskyy's suicidal conscription polices? It makes Russia's mobilisation/conscription look pacifist by comparison.
If you pop into that users history, you'll see that the interacting they're talking about is whining at me for a couple of days because I called them a racist.
Not really. You just use the word 'racist' as a general insult to people who disagree with you. I don't really take it as an offense since it means nothing in that context, but using the word 'racist' ignoring its actual meaning is problematic.
How do you not understand how using a racial slur to insult someone is racist?
Because mongrel is not a racial slur. You made it a racial slur. I could argue that the word Bastard is a racial slur by the same logic. And given enough time and effort, you would believe it if all you see is race.
There is a history of mongrel being used as a racial slur, you chose to ignore the evidence of that I showed you so you could pretend to be a victim.
All you need to know is that it was not used with a racist intent. The word itself was not even used in a context where it could be interpreted as racist. I mean, can you even answer which group of people the word was racist against based on your interpretation?
What are you proposing should happen in Ukraine?
Negotiations? It's clear after the attempt at a "counter offensive" that Ukraine do not have the ability to gain any significant territory, and they are just throwing lives and equipment into a void of mines and trenches. And Ukraine is not going to gain the ability to break though these fortifications anytime soon, I cannot see western nations giving Ukraine the weaponry required (an air force is the main missing component needed for NATO style combined arms tactics to function).
Unless Ukraine can find a way to convince western nations to give them the equipment required to make breakthroughs (very unlikely), they are stuck in an attrition war with Russia. And I don't see any path to victory in an attrition war against Russia. The article we are commenting on is one of the major reasons why, they're having to fire people just to get more conscripts. At that point, negotiation is the best possible outcome.
Surrender. War crimes tribunals. Re-education. The rebirth of the USSR. We aren’t asking for much.
Ooookay.
The same will happen one day in the USA, just like in China and Vietnam 😉
Yeah, why not let
HitlerPutler occupy us?I mean: how bad can it be?
/s
Comparing Hilter to Putin is tantamount to holocaust denial.
Putin is a bad man but they aren't anywhere near to the same level.
Tell me one thing Hitlers regime did that Putins regime hasn't done one a smaller scale. I'll start with the only thing I am not aware of Putins regime having done: medical experiments on prisoners (although I personally think "punitive psychiatry" is close enough).
Things everyone knows:
- baseless aggression against most neighbors; check
- a history of genocidal warfare: check (ask Chechens)
- their own Direlewanger Sturm Brigade made from convicts: check (Sturm Z)
- propagandists openly agitating for genocide (burning or drowning Ukrainian kids): check (as I said I have followed both sides)
- forced removal of children (also falls under genocide): check
- denying people to speak their own language and punishing them for it (also falls under genocide): check
- terror bombing cities with no military value like Germans during the blitz: check
- breaking agreements (like the Budapest Memorandum): check
- killing prisoners en masse: check (although thankfully Putler doesn't have the logistical evil geniuses from Endlösung working for him)
- razing cities to the ground like Warszaw and preventing the population from fleeing: check (see Mariupol)
I even have two more that I am not aware of the Nazis doing:
- blatantly breaking their own cease fires to shell agreed upon evacuation corridors for both civilians and unarmed military personnel
- openly arguing for and taking practical steps to use hunger in the third world for their own political advantage.
I hope this should be enough to convince everyone except for the dumbest of the dumbest that Russians are almost just like (thankfully) dumb Nazis with less stylish uniforms.
Tell me one thing Hitlers regime did that Putins regime hasn't done
The Holocaust.
Russians are almost just like (thankfully) dumb
Generalizing Russians and instead of Putin's regime AND calling them stupid. Not racist at all.
So easy to beat someone when you leave out half the sentence:
I wrote "Tell me one thing Hitlers regime did that Putins regime hasn't done on a smaller scale".
And yes, Putin hasn't done the holocaust, because they thankfully aren't well enough organized to do that.
The rhetoric is there as I already mentioned. The smaller scale "disappearances" of civilians Nacht und Nebel style and experiments on larger scale exterminations like Olevnika are there.
Word plays won't get you anywhere.
And if it it racist to point out that Putins regime is evil but thankfully dumb then so be it.
Someone would probably tried to arrest me for hate speak against the nazis too.
And if it it racist to point out that Putins regime
You didn't say Putin's regime, you said Russians. Look who's leaving shit out now?
And idk how to tell you this but scale matters.
Intent matters more, just because ruzzians[1] are inept doesn't make it less punishable.
[1]:happy now that I have narrowed it down to only those who actively support it instead of the vast majority who just passively support it?
Good to see the mods aren't tolerating your Holocaust denial.
At no point have I denied Holocaust or Holodomor or any of the other ghastly things Russia and Nazi Germany did.
My cats have learned the wirr motor sound of the feeder means food. So they'll run from whereever in the house at an motor sound. Suddenly like "it's food time right? Right? But the noise means food...." Regardless of any further context.
Same same but different with hexbear.
imagine being a grown ass adult and taking the time to write this comment
