Melania Trump statue sawn off at the feet sparks police investigation
Melania Trump statue sawn off at the feet sparks police investigation
The life-size sculpture near Sevnica in central Slovenia, where Melanija Knavs was born in 1970, was unveiled in 2020 during US President Donald Trump's first term in office.
It replaced a wooden statue that had been set on fire earlier that year.
When was it ever appropriate to honor plagiarizing gold diggers who spread their legs married a fascist with statues? If anything that really says something negative about the place it's erected. If that's the biggest thing they have to be proud of.
Gross slut shaming vibes. You can criticize someone without moralizing, you know?
Any kind of shaming is welcome for Nazis. They don't get the same respect as actual real people.
She's a gold-digging whore, who has earned our disrespect.
Nazis are actual real people. It doesn't do anybody any good to deny that human beings are capable of great evil. It only seeks to further distance ourselves from our shared history of violence and doom us to repeat it. Talk like that is exactly what leads to Nazis in the first place
Nazis are actual real people.
I could make an actual educated argument on how that's literally not true, but it'd go into sophistry. Still, I definitely could.
Talk like that is exactly what leads to Nazis in the first place
No, it isn't. It's exaggerated rhetoric and a very appropriate response to legitimate Nazism.
What YOU are doing is what lead to the Nazis in the first place. Thinking you can reason with Nazis. 20th century Germany had people who basically were forced to be a Nazi, no matter their personal ideologies. It's understandable, but it's not acceptable. And it's very different having been in the party when the Nazis were in rule and voluntarily choosing to be one in modern times. Choosing to become a Nazi is so much worse than being somewhat afraid in Germany in 1942, and joining out of fear for your life.
We know we're purposefully exaggerating when we say Nazis aren't people, and we know it. Nazis do not exaggerate with their calls to white supremacy.
So the appropriate reply to Nazism is to utterly dehumanise and shame them, as much as humanly possible.
I have no desire to reason with Nazis, I believe the only kind of good Nazi is a dead Nazi, and I genuinely believe it is my moral duty to punch a Nazi on site. But I don't have to pretend their not human to do that. Evil is a human thing. No other animal does that. You have to recognize it for what it is and root it out. Calling them not human doesn't help anything.
Calling them not human doesn't help anything.
Openly displaying the attitudes they have for all other people's towards them is done as a reminder of their garbage dehumanising rhetoric.
Just like you have a duty to punch a Nazi, you have a duty to dehumanise them.
It's not because we believe anyone should ever be dehumanised —and we loudly proclaim that is our actual belief, enshrined in international human rights laws — it's because it's a rhetorical reminder of what Nazis do.
Like you say, of course they are people. In fact, the exact problem is the banality of evil. Historically pretty much a major portion of the Nazi party at it's height were completely normal "law-abiding citizens". Everyone knows what "I was just following orders" refers to. And that's exactly it.
Those people are using it as an excuse, like "no-one told me it was wrong or shocking, I was merely acting like any reasonable person would".
Had there been someone constantly yelling in their ear, about what cowardly shitbags they are, for not putting their life on the line, to resist the rhetoric coming from the actually fucked up psychopaths at the helm, maybe they couldn't have reasonably used the "I'm just following orders" excuse.
So yeah. We need to dehumanise them all. I wouldn't dehumanise like a 100 year old granny who was a member in 1942 or anything, obviously, but as far as rhetoric on the internet goes? They're not people. Anyone directly supporting actual Nazi rhetoric deserves to be dehumanised for that reason until they change their views.
Evil is a human thing. No other animal does that.
Quite a philosophically naive argument, no offense. Animals eat their kids. Dolphins rape fish. Mushrooms take over ants make them zombies. Chimps even have wars.
But since you don't think they possess the capacity to understand it's "evil", it's not?
So... a dumb Nazi isn't an evil Nazi? Or if you dehumanise a Nazi, it makes their actions acceptable? I don't really get where you're going with that particular point. (Sorry, I've a pet peeve about the naturalistic fallacy.)
Ugh 🙄 internet "philosophers". I'll see you in the front lines, dude. We'll have a good laugh about how unnecessary this argument was once we're there
No, you won't.
My war time posting is not in the front lines. It's about ~30km behind them. In a leadership position.
(Yes, that's the backside of my dogtags. I'm hardly going to dox myself by filming the front.)
Edit also, most communication is online nowadays, even academic. Everyone is constantly online. You can just call me a philosopher, no need for the "internet" or the quotations.
An "Internet philosopher" is a particular type of person. If you're serious about ending fascism, then our petty little back and forth will not matter when it really comes down to it, then right?
Because, historically, dehumanization comes in handy when it comes to elimination, but not so helpful when it comes to the part that comes next. It seems like an excuse to not feel guilty for killing, and that seems like a dark path to go down.
You know, trying to explain your already bad joke isn't making it any funnier.
then our petty little back and forth will not matter when it really comes down to it, then right?
Ofc it will have. Everything matters. Some things more than others.
It seems like an excuse to not feel guilty for killing, and that seems like a dark path to go down.
"Oh please, won't someone think of the Nazis?"
I don't think you've actually read anything I've written. That too, is an exaggeration, I don't literally mean that. I mean to say that you've not understood it for some reason. I'd like to point out that in my experience, the people who think calling someone an "internet philosopher" or "a fucking SJW" or "a keyboard warrior" (harder to call me a "keyboard warrior" when I'm actually part of the Finnish Defence Forces?) are usually slightly cognitively lazy and/or poorly educated people who just don't have the attention-span nor the skills to actually engage in such discussion. So you mock it as being too fancy, meaning it's too fancy... for you.
I can promise you not everyone share's your view.
It's slut shaming to point out her only notable accomplishments and mention that she doesn't deserve a statue? I don't deserve a statue either. Am I slut shaving myself for saying that?
Do what you like, and be as freaky as you want to be. As long as everyone is consenting it's all good by me. And fuck anyone that's got a problem with it, because it's none of their business.
If we are going to erect statues of sluts. Something which I am all for. We have much better sluts to choose from. Ones that contributed far more to society. Betty Page comes to mind. Hell Jenna Jameson if you want. The problem with Melania isn't that she is a slut. So much that she's enabled trump. And has nothing else to claim.
Don't get me wrong I'm absolutely open to constructive criticism. And if you have some better thoughts as to what she is known for that would be better to criticize her over I would be happy to hear.
I didn't say that she deserves a statue. She's a horrible person. I said that you don't have to moralize. Her being a woman that "spread her legs", as you put it, has NOTHING to do with any of this. It's just a thing you thought would be a low-hanging insult.
Honestly not really. The sad thing is that some of the highest fruit as far as anyone knows anything about her. That's how undeserving she is.
I think you are hyper focusing trying to read things into other things there were never there or intended. The point wasn't to say that she was undeserving because she did that. But only that she was undeserving because she hasn't done anything more than that. Anything more than just about anyone else. That said after some thought I absolutely think I could have ordered it better. And can acknowledge fault in at least that much. So I will go back and try to amend it to a better state.
I like your edit. That's something that SHOULD be criticized.
I see you and I agree with you. Just wanted to let you know.
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