liberals will brag about how peacefully they allowed the drumpf regime to deport them to CECOT

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It's crazy how often MLK is used as some great example of peaceful protest when the guy was murdered by the FBI.
Seems like the non violent approach isnt very effective if the state will just kill you anyway for being too loud.
- He was murdered by the FBI when he switched from talking exclusively about black liberation and began talking about intersectional communism with black liberation characteristics.
- I mean, MLK was effective as one part of multiple movements. The black panthers existed at the same time and they played off each other.
- That's not unique to non-violence, though. Fred Hampton was also murdered by the FBI.
  I have a bit of a frustration with rigid ideological adherence to either non-violence or violence. The question is a tactical one and varies depending on the situation.
  
  my opinion, nobody WANTS violence or strictly adheres to violence as the only tactic, but there has never been a single nonviolent revolution in history. nobody has ever argued their way out of slavery. nobody has debated or reasoned their way out of oppression
  not every protest needs to be popping off but some certainly do and nobody will ever be free until we admit to ourselves that the capitalist state is committing violence, and self defense is not equivalent violence.
  in the face of fascism, where we are now, i honestly think its super unhelpful for anyone to talk about nonviolence. there are fathers who got taken from their jobs and now they’re in a concentration camp, their kids don’t have a father or any contact etc.
  we’re so passed the point of talking about nonviolence. i just dont see how it’s helpful at all.
  people are pissed, there’s some seriously fucked up shit going on, and someone chiming in “but we cant be violent” isn’t helping anything or anyone but the people currently doing the actual violence (capitalists and their brownshirts)
  
  I agree with you, and I don't think anything you said negates the point I was trying to make to the person I was replying to.
  and someone chiming in “but we cant be violent”
  Couldn't be me
  
  sorry friend didnt mean to sound like i was trying to give a counterpoint, more just trying to expand on what you said. wasn’t talking about you when i said people are chiming in about not being violent

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