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Zelensky-Starmer latest: Starmer unveils steps to help Ukraine after summit with European leaders

www.bbc.co.uk Zelensky-Starmer latest: Starmer unveils steps to help Ukraine after summit with European leaders

"We are at a crossroads in history," the prime minister says, while Ukrainian President Zelensky meets the King in Sandringham.

Following a meeting with world leaders, Starmer has announced a £1.6bn financing package to Ukraine, the creation of a "Coalition of the Willing", and that a deal to be presented to Trump. He has emphasised:

The importance of the US's participation in the coalition
His trust in the US as an ongoing ally to Europe
His confidence that a deal will be reached

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2d ago

UK pledges £2.26bn to Ukraine as Zelensky says it will be used for weapons - latest

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2d ago

Zelensky to meet King Charles, BBC understands

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I mean this doesn't sound like any forward movement at all, this sounds like nothing. This sounds like a plan predicated on Trump becoming a completely different person overnight, and brokering a deal with Russia that can be trusted, laugh with me
- I think there is a lot more to it than what is being presented. We're getting the "carrot" version of things, there will almost certainly be a "stick" that will be presented, and Starmer will outline the grave consequences of the USA not cooperating.
  It was interesting that Starmer seemed so confident that Trump would agree. This means either he's hugely bluffing to put on a show, or the nice guy show to Trump is over and they can get him to bend by force.
  
  What plausible stick could the UK (with or without EU) wield against the US? Pull out of NATO or the Five Eyes? That would hurt them way more than it would hurt the US, and Trump knows they're too rational to let it happen.
  
  Re Five Eyes, they should stop helping the USA on that front immediately, as any info given to them will be used to crush internal dissent.
  
  with so many foreign troops fighting for russia in ukraine, there is zero justification for european troops not to be fighting with the ukranians as well. zero. every day that uk & france aren't mobilzing and deploying troops to ukraine is just more european stalling until complete abandonment
  
  They're preparing for deployment asap pretty much
  
  no. they really really really aren't.
  
  What makes you think that?
  
  That would be risky. Could easily trigger a world war.
  
  sure could, but if russia is using foreign troops to fight and kill european ukranians it already is by definition
  
  Well yes but it's a bit different if you have north Koreans Vs Ukrainians or a world war where Russia moves into Poland and China into Taiwan.
  
  It's really only different for two reasons:
  That side already has access to nukes.
  Russian propaganda.
  France and the UK could absolutely dedicate expeditionary forces.
  
  Russia isn't in any way a threat to expand their invasion. If they could simultaneously invade Poland they wouldn't be struggling so hard to reclaim their own territory, let alone conquer Ukraine. China is the one powerful and expansive enough to worry about.
- I mean he just casually pledged 1.6 billion so that's not nothing. The only plan there was ever going to be was what Europe was already doing, only more of it.
- Starmer is a centrist moron. This is exactly the sort of shit we expect from him.

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