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On the bright side, all the bans for
promoting the ban of an abusive harasser/troll that encourges suicidegatekeeping, and instance blocks from annoyed-by-all-this-shit users has pretty much defederated blahaj! What a wonderful outcome.I guess it's not that serious, just not fun to see this be the result of "queer space gets trolled." 😑 I might join the folks instance blocking, but it doesn't feel great. I've known plenty of trans folk. Over all, they were chill as fuck, and are generally enjoyable to talk with. But holy farking shitballs, if exposure to this instance was all I knew about GNC/trans people, I'd assume most are insane and love drama.
being insane and loving drama is when you demand respect for people's identities apparently :p
that's literally the only "drama" Ive seen here ever from blahaj users except for usa political discussions which I mostly ignore, I know lots of pretty crazy queer spaces that r genuinely like that while this is one of the most chill corners of the internet Ive been to
I don't think allowing a suicide-encouraging troll that actively mocks the use of neopronouns to continue to do both is super great... Guess that makes me a (pansexual and agender) bigot?
Trans people are not dramatic wads of directionless animosity, but you definitely seem to be. I would imagine crying victim over things unrelated to what has been said is easier than a reasonable conversation though. I guess that's why you ignore political discussions, unless it's drama. 😑
I definitely shouldn't have taken the 10,000th piece of "not accepting violence promotion isn't inclusive toward GNC folk" bait over this, but oh well.
The person you're referring to has literally been banned from this community by the community mods. Wind your identity gatekeeping back, because you don't need to invalidate someones identity to moderate them
Cool story bro. I'll get right on that, and wind the "gatekeeping" (that I totally do all the time) back. Very valid concern to express. 👍
I suppose if my identity was valid enough, I'd get blocked by tons of users, then temporarily banned from communities, but not the server, for the same actions. Oh well. I guess identities are only seen as valid when people are being disengenuous. Neat.
Good luck on pushing anyone towards giving half a shit about queer people, including other queer people, or allies. Being an asshat really helps, I've heard, so try that maybe.
You're welcome for the entertaining display of taking trolling seriously. I guess this instance on a username is like a badge of "this person is a troll, to be avoided."
you talk an awful lot about how terrible it is to be here, you even started the discussion by musing about blocking this instance, and yet after two days you're still here whining without an ounce of self-reflection and taking anything anyone says back to you as personally as you can manage. shit or get off the pot.
Your identity doesn't shield you from being a bigot though, or from twisting yourself in terflike knots to justify misgendering others.
It's very strange how many professed nonbinary, fluid, and agender people suddenly have an issue with gatekeeping what gender is or isn't and whose is worth acknowledging based on arbitrary criteria and narratives about personal virtue.
Name one single time I have misgendered someone... I'll wait. And while you're at it, get a fucking grip, and quit alienating any and every person you don't agree with, based on shit you just make up, and decide they've done.
I guess my gender is only "professed," and I hide behind it...
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Internet dwellers like yourself are exactly who I was referring to in the first comment. Living for dramatic horseshit, just to make other people feel lesser is genuinely a sad existence. Maybe find a hobby. Adopt a cute animal. Do fucking something with your life that makes you happy. Something that isn't mindless vitriol directed at random people you'd don't know.
You're welcome for the free advice,
and mini truama dump. I hope you enjoy shitting on the ones that gave up.(edited to delete trolling-induced, poorly-expressed, small trauma dump)
this is ironically by far the most unhinged and least self-aware screed i've read in this community over the past several days. you gonna challenge me to fight you irl too?
Neat. I guess me genuinely expressing a part of what I've been through, related to gender, and contextualizing where I stand means... fist fighting irl? ok...
I'm am folding on this one. You win, I guess. Me being verbose, or whatever you're attempting to say = violent, transphobic bigotry.
"directionless wad of animosity crying victim and living for dramatic horseshit just to make other people feel lesser" seems more appropriate but sure you can choose the "violent transphobic bigot" label if you prefer. unlike some other people i'm not in a hurry to decide whose identity is and isn't valid based on how shitty i think they act, or color a person's entire existence a certain way based on a handful of internet comments.
So, "sheilding my bigotry" is a valid use for my identity, and accepted? Cool.
I guess I haven't come across the people you just made up tho. The ones that called someone's identity invalid for their actions. Oh well. Have a good rest of your day.
bruh you've been mad phobic the entire time you've been concern trolling here, and it's painfully obvious because every single time you preface it with "trans people aren't [bad quality]... but you are" as if to admonish us for not being "the good ones". truth told at this point i'm mostly just seeing how much reportable shit i can get you to say because it's clear you just came here to stir the pot.
Anyone "pretty much defederating" wasn't an ally anyhow. Lots of "I respected the transes until they said I couldn't pick and choose which are the 'good ones' for their space". They didn't participate before so nothing will likely change.
The whole argument doesn't even make sense. Whether or not the two individuals in question are trolls has no bearing on the situation. It DID give bigots, trolls, and perpetually online rabble rousers a very flimsy excuse to start shit and start shit they did.
Individuals don't defederate, they block users and instances... Many not-permabanned users have blocked this instance, which is effectively like a slow defederation.
If you can name times you have seen someone picking and choosing which trans folks are "good for their space," I will stand corrected, but it seems to vary mostly from "maybe don't give trolls who tell depressed trans folk to murder-suicide a free pass," or "idk what this drama is, I'm out."
And I wonder who "started shit?" Abusive trolls that mock GNC and otherkin, telling people that literal murder-suicide is an option, maybe?
It seems like every response to this, including yours, has been a bad faith, purposeful misconception of what is being expressed.
It seems like every response to this, including yours, has been a bad faith, purposeful misconception of what is being expressed.
I can already tell discussing anything with you is a waste of time.
Nice. I guess you not adressing a single thing I said, and changing topics to whatever you decided I meant is not a waste of time though. Fuck off.
cool, there's the door. don't let it hit your ass.
Queer spaces don't need to validate trolls to be inclusive
who gets to decide who's avowed gender is "trolling"? what's the potential harm there? "oh no i called a person on the internet by pronouns they asked for but don't use irl, oh noez i have been owned".
versus handing phobes a pretense to misgender anyone they please, which honestly feels like the point of all this.
When US politicians are trying to put trans people in camps as a political tool it's not funny or cute to have animal people or "minor attracted people" trying to include themselves in the groups of legitimately oppressed people.
not picking and choosing whose identity is valid is the backbone of this movement, fuck outta here trying to sandbag the most marginalized among us by trying to associate queerness with pedophilia.
Nobody is trying to make associations. These trash trolls hover around our communities looking to exploit our openness and YOU pretending like they don't exist makes sensible people not want to keep sharing this space.
When you tell me to respect all pronouns but those people also have pronouns then no, i am not going to respect the pronouns of trolls. And anyone who actually supports trans people should expect them to have to associate with people LARPING as an actually opposed person.
your other account is banned from here for trolling. does that make it acceptable to misgender you and add "and also pedophiles" whenever i refer to you or your identity?
Where is this supposed pedophile apologia? Is this person insane?
it's a troll, the pedophilia accusations are a red herring to make the target (me) defensive. nobody had anything to say about the topic until this person decided to start adding "and [euphamism for pedophiles]" when referring to xenogenders.
Lmao banning dissenters doesn't somehow make it right.
You are the one here arguing for the inclusion of pedophiles in this space, take a step back and just process that.
This is what these insane rules do. They make respectable people defend unrespectable people for no good reason.
It doesn't matter if they're trolls or not. In this instance, you respect the communication preferences of everyone present. If you find someone's behaviour to be problematic, you block them and/or report them to the mods. It doesn't give you or others a free pass to treat them as less deserving of respect than anyone else here.
If that's an issue, feel free to leave.
it's a very simple concept, and it's both hilarious and depressing how apparently divisive it is. fun how many "allies" and fellow queers are in a rush to play the "hysterical trans person" card and pretend we're talking nonsense.
What blows my mind is they're repeating the cycle of oppression.
Cishet dominant society arbitrated what was "okay" for gender/sexual preference and we all had to claw our way into some measure of acceptance. Now ostensibly LGBTQ+ members are pulling a "fuck you, got mine" and drumming up excuses to exclude the outgroup that makes them feel icky. Just like always, the focus is on the outliers: supposed pedos, very unconventional pronouns, furries, etc. It's giving me flashbacks.
if you keep them talking eventually they'll admit their motives in the form of an accusation, like that other person who was ranting for paragraphs about various queer people getting off on feeling superior, while calling people insane for respecting identities that person feels are beneath respect.
In real life trans people are being targeted as political scapegoats.
On the internet we whine about trans people not accepting "dog" as a gender and calling it trolling because they face actual oppression IRL.
hi, i'm one of those trans people, and i've been through absolute hell, physically, mentally, spiritually, and emotionally. don't hide your bigoted shit-tier take behind my struggle.
Hi I'm trans too, and I don't like being compared constantly to animal kin and mip so i don't validate them
It doesn't matter if they are a troll, respect them.
Yeah people don't want to do that
Nice strawman there. What I actually said was:
It doesn't matter if they're trolls or not. In this instance, you respect the communication preferences of everyone present. If you find someone's behaviour to be problematic, you block them and/or report them to the mods. It doesn't give you or others a free pass to treat them as less deserving of respect than anyone else here.
If you have an issue with someone's behavior, block and report them. Their bad behavior doesn't magically give you a free pass to do whatever you want without repercussions.
I don't know why this is like high level calculus for some people.
I block the trolls, I also refuse to respect them
I don't know why this is like high level calculus for some people.
You don't know for a fact that "wooden, girthy door hitting my ass" isn't my fetish. I guess that's ok though, since unlike a certain troll, I don't force written participation in my sexual desires. 🙄