'Rotten-tail kids': China's rising youth unemployment breeds new working class
'Rotten-tail kids': China's rising youth unemployment breeds new working class
Rising unemployment in China is pushing millions of college graduates into a tough bargain, with some forced to accept low-paying work or even subsist on their parents' pensions, a plight that has created a new working class of "rotten-tail kids". The phrase has become a social media buzzword this y...
BEIJING (Reuters) - Rising unemployment in China is pushing millions of college graduates into a tough bargain, with some forced to accept low-paying work or even subsist on their parents' pensions, a plight that has created a new working class of "rotten-tail kids".
The phrase has become a social media buzzword this year, drawing parallels to the catchword "rotten-tail buildings" for the tens of millions of unfinished homes that have plagued China's economy since 2021.
A record number of college graduates this year are hunting for jobs in a labour market depressed by COVID-19-induced disruptions as well as regulatory crack-downs on the country's finance, tech and education sectors.
The jobless rate for the roughly 100 million Chinese youth aged 16-24 crept above 20% for the first time in April last year. When it hit an all-time high of 21.3% in June 2023, officials abruptly suspended the data series to reassess how numbers were compiled.
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Any tankies wanna take a spin on how this is actually a good thing?
Something something Marx, Soviet era reference, reason why USA is bad, Vietnam something, never answering the direct question, personal insult goes here, ending in a leading question. Clown face emoji.
No it's s eben easier: Must be western Propaganda, Source not believable.
You mean German propaganda? 🙄
Looks like the actual spin was "this is normal and happens everywhere, I see no problem".
Ah, denial and projection. Classic.
Isn’t making up guys that don’t exist so you can feel intellectually superior just the best?! 😀
Found you. Copy and paste this back to me:
Tiananmen Square Massacre really happened
I'm stealing this Idea :P
It’s free!! Tell your friends. Shake off a hexbear or an ML with words they can’t say back to you!
Isn’t making up guys that don’t exist so you can feel intellectually superior just the best?! 😀
Say it. Wimp.
Your reply wasn’t even original?! Come on now. I know you can do better than that.
Tiananmen Square Massacre really happened
Tiananmen Square Massacre really happened
Tiananmen Square Massacre really happened
Man, they really can't seem to post that, even just to "debunk" it. I wonder why? Is there some kind of auto-ban? Some of them really do believe what they're saying.
There’s no point jumping through hoops for someone whose mind is already made up about you. It’s more fun for everyone if we just get into emoji fights and post snarky comments.
Yeah, but like, if you would put in a little quote of it, and then explain why it's wrong, the TSM couldn't be used as some kind of magic charm like this. As it is, everyone's thinking you must be under duress.
As it is, everyone’s thinking you must be under duress.
Do people seriously think that? Chinese censorship doesn’t work like that. They don’t care if one of their citizens uses a VPN to post about how the Tiananmen Square Massacre actually happened anonymously on some random foreign website. It’s baffling to me that anyone would think that they do.
The reality usually is that asking to copy and paste something vaguely tangential to the conversation at hand just comes across as dismissive and infantilizing. Most people don’t want to jump through hoops to be taken seriously and so they don’t engage further. Assuming that they don’t want to engage because they’re under duress is just letting your confirmation bias run wild.
There you go!
Do people seriously think that?
I was starting to wonder. Maybe it's confirmation bias, but in my experience you folks don't tend to shy away when flamed.
I’ll only jumps through hoops for you CanadaPlus 😉
in my experience you folks don’t tend to shy away when flamed.
Well I think like most people online MLs aren’t above posting snarky replies or acting dismissive especially when confronted by the same attitudes. Most know that countering disinformation or trying to organize for their political aims online is generally a waste of time.
Probably the phrase is monitored by their government, and will land them in jail.
They just did it, so apparently this one is not actually Chinese.
How do you think that would even work? Do you have any clue how absurd that sounds? It’s like John Birch Society level paranoia.
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Yep, you got burnt.
Say it or get out of here lol.
Burnt! I’m insulted. Those drumsticks have clearly been roasted to perfection. Ignore the fact that I only have one per chicken.
One for you, one for me, comrade. 🤝
Most days you beat the strawman. Some days the strawman beats you.
Definitely the worst part of using Lemmy. As someone who lives in Taiwan it's quite annoying getting gaslit by a bunch of cosplayers in random threads.
Yeah. The good news is they're harmless because "we're the bad guys" has the exact opposite of mass appeal. Flat Earthers are more likely to cause real-life political change, haha.
Unfortunately, the tankies are also impeding the change we actually need (e.g. expansion of workers rights). It's harder to get involved in leftism when such a large part of vocal leftists are tankies.
I'm not really impressed with the other kind of leftist either, TBH. Anarchism is just a vague concept and the movement itself is mostly infighting. All the useful work I see being done is coming from within mainstream activism.
Workers rights activists are leftist activists by virtue of advocating for workers rights, IMO.
It's all just a 5D chess move by Dear Leader Xi. You filthy capitalist pigs won't understand.
This they will say it's the US's fault, for corrupting China with capitalism.
They'll link you to an essay that goes on forever and quotes dozens of philosophers. But it doesn't actually address your question and it is completely divorced from any real-world data.
What’s there to spin? Youth unemployment is a problem many countries struggle with. China isn’t exactly unique in that regard. According the world bank, China’s youth unemployment is rather unremarkable and is actually lower than many European countries.
Edit: a link to the world bank which was already cited but hard for some people to find https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.1524.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true
Citation needed.
Wait here's one!
Looks like youth unemployment in Europe is very comfortably below China's at around 14% vs China's 21%. Also notably the European data has been trending down.
To be fair though we don't know what the current rate is in China because they stopped publishing the statistic for some reason.
Here’s the citation which I already provided.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.1524.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true
The numbers you’re using aren’t comparable. They’re different statistics calculated in different ways. Use a standardized metric like the world bank if you want to make meaningful comparisons.
The numbers you’re using aren’t comparable. They’re different statistics calculated in different ways.
So in other words, it doesn't conform to the narrative you're attempting to construct and thus must only be faulty.
The difference is the source Aurenkin posted actually specifies the sources used while yours does not. Who gives a fuck about what the "world bank" thinks?
The World Bank is an international financial institution that provides loans and grants to the governments of low- and middle-income countries for the purpose of pursuing capital projects
It's literally just another fucking capitalist institution. (ironic)
My citation was the world bank or was “according to the world bank” somehow not clear? Here’s a link since you couldn’t just go to their website.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.1524.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true
The numbers you grabbed and the ones referenced in the article aren’t even calculated in the same way ffs. Do you not know how statistics work?
That’s not how methodology works. You can’t compare numbers from two institutions and assume they’re comparable because they sound the same. There are often many ways of measuring unemployment or joblessness. If we look at youths without jobs versus youth unemployments in the US, both statistics you can find from the BLS, you would see that those numbers are wildly different.
Again just look at the world bank data which is using standardized calculations.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.1524.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true
I'm not sure why your replies are all over the place in the thread here but for what it's worth I think you're right. I was incorrect to assert that the figure you presented was based on the new NBS methodology as the world bank uses standard methodology as you said and is the most reliable comparison.
It's worth pointing out that they source their statistics from ILO who get their data from national agencies as far as I can tell so it's not perfect but probably as good as we can get.
Thanks for taking a look! I actually appreciate it.
I also want to clarify, I’m by no means saying that this is a problem that China needs to find a way to address. I just find it weird that people think that anyone would want to put a positive spin on youth joblessness when it’s not outlandishly high relative to other countries.
See, this is why we don't take you people seriously. You're so eager to polish China's turds for them you don't even give them a whiff first to check if they're salvageable.
aren't even calculated in the same way ffs
I'm glad you brought up methodology because the numbers you quoted are after the revision by the CCP which excludes students. A curious decision when reporting youth unemployment I would say and it has the unfortunate and I'm sure unintentional side effect of making them incomparable to the EU definition .
So yes, China's numbers from earlier are significantly higher than the EU's. We have no idea what the true... excuse me.... comparable numbers might be today due to the change in methodology.
Ahhh, there he is.
Please write :
Tiananmen Square Massacre really happened
:)
Want to tell me why the world bank is wrong or should I start putting words in your mouth too?
Say the line, Bart.
Tiananmen Square Massacre really happened
say the words
the words
Alright smartass, let’s try another approach.
Answer the following question with “yes” or “no”:
Did the Tiananmen Square Massacre happen?
“yes” or “no”
Give me another one! I can do this all day. Lol
Upvoting. They may not like the answer but this is what they asked for.
They did it, they summoned him
Boo! 👻