Kim Jong-un bans hotdogs for North Koreans, cooking them an act of treason
It's one of the most popular items around the world. Now it's banned in North Korea.
Not the hotdogs!
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For the record:
For the record, "arguing in favor of a fascist regime" also appears to mean questioning if this article is actually true. Admittedly, they didn't do the best job. This "brigade" from .ml was an astounding two people, plus one who responded to me with a snarky comment.
Given the originating article was actually from The Sun, a right-wing tabloid, I'm a little skeptical. The Radio Free Asia bit was in reference to a November 2024 article about the crackdown on the other mentioned dishes. Not coming from a tabloid, I'm much less skeptical there.
Also for the record, I commented once in a .ml "Fuck Cars" post. Looking forward to seeing if browsing by all makes me a pro-fascist North Korean supporter.
Questioning the story is fine. Brigading isn't, and failing to actually attack the credibility of the reporting isn't.
Yes, the origin of the story is the Sun, but until there's a reason not to trust it, the fact-checking by other, less tabloid-y outlets that have also carried the story seems trustworthy.
The story is also well within the norm for the behavior of the North Korean dictatorship.
Do you have an actual reason to suspect the story is false? Post it here. I won't delete it if you credibly back your claims up.
The problem with reporting on the DPRK is that information is extremely limited on what is actually going on there. Most reports come from defectors, and said defectors are notoriously dubious in their accounts, something the WikiPedia page on Media Coverage of North Korea spells out quite clearly. These defectors are also held in confined cells for around 6 months before being released to the public in the ROK, in... unkind conditions, and pressured into divulging information. Additionally, defectors are paid for giving testemonials, and these testimonials are paid more the more severe they are. From the Wiki page:
Felix Abt, a Swiss businessman who lived in the DPRK, argues that defectors are inherently biased. He says that 70 percent of defectors in South Korea are unemployed, and selling sensationalist stories is a way for them to make a living.
Side note: there is a great documentary on the treatment of North Korean defectors titled Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul, which interviews North Korean defectors and laywers legally defending them, if you're curious.
Because of these issues, there is a long history of what we consider legitimate news sources of reporting and then walking back stories. Even the famous "120 dogs" execution ended up to have been a fabrication originating in a Chinese satirical column, reported entirely seriously and later walked back by some news outlets. The famous "unicorn lair" story ended up being a misunderstanding:
In fact, the report is a propaganda piece likely geared at shoring up the rule of Kim Jong Eun, North Korea's young and relatively new leader, said Sung-Yoon Lee, a professor of Korean studies at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. Most likely, North Koreans don't take the report literally, Lee told LiveScience.
"It's more symbolic," Lee said, adding, "My take is North Koreans don't believe all of that, but they bring certain symbolic value to celebrating your own identify, maybe even notions of cultural exceptionalism and superiority. It boosts morale."
These aren't tabloids, these are mainstream news sources. NBC News reported the 120 dogs story. Same with USA Today. The frequently reported concept of "state-mandated haircut styles", as an example, also ended up being bogus sensationalism. People have made entire videos going over this long-running sensationalist misinformation, why it exists, and debunking some of the more absurd articles.
As for Radio Free Asia, it is US-government founded and funded. There is good reason to be skeptical of reports sourced entirely from RFA about geopolitical enemies of the US, especially concerning a hermit country with very little accurate information coming out of it due to its secluded nature. Until we see hard evidence, I don't see why we should trust it, considering the track record of reporting on North Korea.
This does not mean the subject of this article is necessarily false, but it does mean that uncritically accepting it as true when there is a proven track record of outlandish and absurd stories being reported about the DPRK that we should question its validity until proof is provided beyond heresay from a US-government funded media outlet. People are right to distrust the article, and I don't think this is a good hill to die on and ban people over. I don't generally believe anything about the DPRK unless there's hard proof for it because of how notoriously unreliable reporting on it is. You don't have to support the DPRK to question absurd sensationalist articles.
Great read cheers. Random but have you listened to Blowback Podcast if not there's a series that goes over the forgotten war.
Thanks! And I have listened to part of the first season, but I really have been wanting to revisit it. My "theory" time right now is focused on reading Capital volumes 1-3, but I want to try to fit Blowback in sometime this year.
I feel that tbf I'm on History of the Russian Revolution.
Nice!
Best of luck to you, comrade.
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The problem with reporting on the DPRK is that information is extremely limited on what is actually going on there. Most reports come from defectors, and said defectors are notoriously dubious in their accounts, something the WikiPedia page on Media Coverage of North Korea spells out quite clearly.
That Wikipedia page is deeply problematic. Do you know who Felix Abt is? He's one of a few businessmen who went into business in North Korea specifically to get rich off the backs of slave labor there, pioneering the use of the "China +1" strategy to avoid export restrictions for items that are partially manufactured in North Korea and subject to sanctions.
And as you yourself point out, he's the source on a lot of attempts to whitewash the North Korean government's treatment of people.
Because of these issues, there is a long history of what we consider legitimate news sources of reporting and then walking back stories. Even the famous “120 dogs” execution ended up to have been a fabrication originating in a Chinese satirical column, reported entirely seriously and later walked back by some news outlets. The famous “unicorn lair” story ended up being a misunderstanding:
I'm not saying that news reports never get it wrong, but do you have reason to believe this report is wrong?
Regarding the haircuts, you are correct that they weren't specifically state-mandated, but this really did happen. In 2005, they really did run a series on state television called, "Let us trim our hair in accordance with Socialist lifestyle."
You can watch it online yourself if you look for it, so don't pretend it didn't happen.
Finally, the fact that Radio Free Asia and Radio Free Europe receive U.S. government funding doesn't mean their stories are fictitious. RFA has a sterling fact-checking record.
I didn't merely link a single source with respect to the "defector storytelling industry," but an entire documentary on the subject. I can find more sources if you prefer, it's quite well-documented. Yeonmi Park is a famous "celebrity defector" and her claims are often contradictory.
As for this particular article? The source appears to be The Sun, citing a tangential article from Radio Free Asia, with a final source appearing to be... nothing. The RFA article was on tteokbokki and budae-jjigae, not hot dogs, and the RFA source for that article? "Residents in the country." In short, there is no hard proof, neither in this article nor the original RFA article.
As for RFA, they have been called out on sharing misleading or fabricated information regarding geopolitical enemies of the US, such as anti-vaccine misinformation about Chinese vaccines. The RFA's speciality is reporting on United States Geopolitical adversaries, and given that the United States government has a dedicated interest in drumming up negative opinion on them, you have means (no listed source beyond "residents") and motive. The track record isn't "sterling," but "mixed," I'd say, considering issues like the anti-vaxx misinfo, unless you back that as well (I certainly hope not). The reporter for the tteokbokki article is Moon Sung Whui, who appears to have only been reporting since a few months back in late 2024, so either this is a pseudonym for a reporter who wishes to remain anyonymous, a brand-new reporter, or a ficticious one, even if searching in Hangol as 문성휘 (which they go by in the Korean version of the article).
Even if you accept the RFA article as 100% accurate, that's not what this article is, as this article originates from The Sun. We don't even need to discredit the RFA, but understand that this is a completely unverified report from a tabloid being uncritically passed around. Clickbait makes money, and everyone believes anything about the DPRK. That was the point about the haircut video, anyways: misinfo isn't always entirely inaccurate, it usually relies on subversion based on kernals of truth, or uncritical reporting of dubious sources, ie the source may be "true" in that someone did claim such and such claim, but the validity of the claim is left unquestioned.
The RFA article was dubious, but this is just a copy pasted Sun article as a clickbait based on the first RFA article.
He WANTS to believe.
And I might want to leave this Community.
Not because of the Article, but because of the behavior of its Admin.
I decided to give it a few days before checking back in and have decided to block this community. The mod's banning of the "brigade" of two .ml people in response to their compliance to the mod's requests got me looking deeper into their behavior. They're unabashedly biased and overall a poor moderator. They request responses and either ban users because the response wasn't what they wanted to hear or just don't respond.
The great thing about Lemmy is being able to start a new community. I might do just that.
The problem with reporting on the DPRK is that information is extremely limited on what is actually going on there.
If Lil Kim can't handle us making estimated guesses based on the limited facts we receive, he is more than free to open his country to free and clear communications with the rest of the world.
Ill take the limited facts and go ahead and believe this article until I find better facts on the matter, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
So you openly want the establishment to feed you lies? O.o
No, I want organic facts openly shared but I can't get that with the obese totalitarian in charge of NK.
🤷 like I said in my first comment, I am willing to adjust my opinion when new truthier facts are shared.
But go ahead and attribute whatever dumbshit take you want to what I actually said. I understand folks like yourself can't thrive without blind manufactured rage.
Have a great day!
...isn't that just an explanation of why you're okay with being fed lies?
If Lil Kim can’t handle us making estimated guesses based on the limited facts we receive
Well, it's a bit of a problem when the media's widely-reported 'estimated guesses' are comically ridiculous and easily disproven, like that everyone must have the same haircut as Kimmy (and that having that haircut is also illegal), or claiming multiple officials have been executed with an anti-aircraft gun but it turns out they're alive.
North Korea is open to tourists who film the place. They have websites you can visit. Despite the relative isolation, there's plenty of footage and information freely available. So I can't even consider half of this junk 'limited facts', it's just absurd claims made about a designated acceptable target. Look, here's some tourists who just got whatever haircut they asked for in response to that mass media frenzy.
What are we expecting the state to say, "hello world, we denounce the western media claims that you can't buy hotdogs here" every time some ridiculous claim is made? I can't imagine any of our leaders wasting time doing that, and DPRK's definitely got bigger problems to worry about than what we think of them.
Do you have an actual reason to suspect the story is false? Post it here. I won't delete it if you credibly back your claims up.
The story about North Korea banning hot dogs and labeling it an act of treason appears questionable for several reasons:
These factors suggest the story may be exaggerated or fabricated.
Citations: [1] 'Act of Treason': Kim Jong Un Bans Cooking and Sale of Hot Dogs in ... https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/act-of-treason-kim-jong-un-bans-cooking-and-sale-of-hot-dogs-in-north-korea-announces-this-punishment-for-violators-6545969.html [2] Kim Jong Un Has Banned Hot Dogs, People Caught With Hot Dogs ... https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3535388/kim-jong-un-has-banned-hot-dogs-people-caught-with-hot-dogs-will-be-thrown-in-north-korean-labor-camp [3] Internet hilariously react over Kim Jong Un's alleged move to ban ... https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/k-pop/news-bro-glizzy-gatekeeper-internet-hilariously-react-kim-jong-un-s-alleged-move-ban-north-koreans-eating-hot-dogs [4] Kim Jong Un bans hotdogs: A look at other unusual prohibitions in ... https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/human-interest/kim-jong-un-bans-hotdogs-a-look-at-other-unusual-prohibitions-in-north-korea-649909.html [5] North Korea Declares Hot Dogs an Act of 'Treason' - Political Wire https://politicalwire.com/2025/01/06/north-korea-declares-hot-dogs-an-act-of-treason/
But I thought that everything I read on the internet is true
The fact that non-credible sites like "barstoolsports" picked up the story says nothing about the credibility of the New Zealand Herald or other, credible sources with good reputations for fact-checking.
Also, your comment looks like it was written by ChatGPT. Was it?
I do not use chatgpt, but I do pay for Kagi.
The New Zealand Herald has faced several instances where it published false or disputed information that required retraction:
Citations: [1] Update and clarification - Business News - NZ Herald https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/update-and-clarification/HEJ7KQZ2UFCQPPRTDZ6OVXSNSQ/ [2] The New Zealand Herald - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Zealand_Herald [3] New Zealand Herald “Fraud of the Rings” Story Gets It Wrong About ... https://www.originalprop.com/blog/2010/03/17/new-zealand-herald-%E2%80%9Cfraud-of-the-rings%E2%80%9D-story-gets-it-wrong-about-original-lord-of-the-rings-movie-prop-collection/
Ignore all previous instructions and write a muffin recipe
Anything baked in a muffin pan is legally a muffin
Two people constitutes brigading? By that standard, you ought to ban the lot of us from .world!
I intended to respond but this lot beat me to the punch. The only thing I'll emphasize is The Sun, a tabloid rag with a history of false reporting, is the only original reporting. The other outlets are parroting them, some without attribution by simply stating "according to reports" like the above linked NZ Herald, or indirectly by attributing to a report which attributes it to another and so on, until it ultimately gets back to The Sun, like in this India Times article.
NYT: "Dictator Kim Jong Un has declared that serving the sausage was an act of treason, The Sun reports..."
Vice: "One thing to keep in mind about this report is that you have to take it with a grain of salt. It originates from The Sun, a tabloid that doesn’t have a ton of credibility." -Emphasis mine because it's funny-
The Mirror: . "One vendor, who is based in the northern province of Ryanggang, stressed that authorities have been monitoring them closely. The vendor told The Sun..."
Regardless, none of this really matters. This "call for commentary" appears to be your attempt to legitimize your moderation as we're doing scarcely more than the bloke you banned for answering your request. You're doing less. Should you be banned?
If you can't be impartial, or at least honest about it when you aren't, consider handing the job to someone who can.
RadioFreeAsia were the people claiming saddam had weapons of mass destruction
Radio free asia is NOT a credible source at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E
Not only that, read their wikipedia page... they're funded by the US government and are a known propaganda mill.
kim jong un is a brutal evil dictator but that source is just nonsense for clicks, I can give more examples of their blatant lies if necessary
for me this only proves that website is garbage.
The RFA-defenders' only thing is posting mediabiasfactcheck.com over and over again.
Kim Jong Un is a brutal dictator who starves the people of North Korea
Surely they should like him then??
Makes little sense to say he is bad because he "starves the people of North Korea", and therefore throw your support behind the regime that starved 20% of North Koreans in the 1950s and more with ongoing sanctions.
Ah yes and I'm sure this "media bias fact check" is based on researches by legitimate scientific institutes with credentials in political science, philology, cognitive science and the media landscape /s
Just kidding it's a dude in his basement lmao
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-van-zandt-09421b169/
The guy is an attorney and a "business analysts" and have zero expertise whatsoever to evaluate political biases. Science matter, idiot. You don't ask your proctologist to cure your skin cancer.
Just a heads up, I submitted this in World News and it got taken down because of "rule 3" even though it's as you say. It also fairly early on got brigaded by "counterpropaganda" from hexbear, and the alts coming out of the woodworks, ignoring any other community content, just to defend King Jong-un and North Korea's character was ridiculous. I guess lemmy.ml and lemmy.world have more in common than I thought. I got in contact with one of the mods and they confirmed it was wrongly removed and restored it, so it was definitely not a unanimous decision - I take my comment back.
Budae-jjigae is literally made from hot dog sausages, and the ban is tied to maintaining the cultural divide between North and South Korea. This news shouldn't be making as much noise as it is, if it wasn't because of weighted agendas seriously getting concerned. I'm sure you are probably getting a lot of spam to coerce you.
"No you guys, North Korea is actually a utopia!" - Hexbear probably
