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Were they frozen to death, or frozen after death? It really does make a difference.
Exactly. If he was humanely euthanizing them and then freezing them for snake food then there really isn't anything that wrong here. I know most people would prefer that the meat of choice not be puppies but that's just how western society views dogs. But societal views aside it's no different than using piglets which are what a lot of large snake owners use.
Pinkies are a thing for feeding snakes already. Basically baby hamsters. These snakes must have been massive if they needed puppies.
So hamsters are okay, but puppies aren't? As @Fosheze alluded to, it has to do more with the culture that you were raised in than it has to do with any universal standard of morality.
A quick Google search reveals that snakes can eat prey that is the diameter of the widest part of the snake. Some snakes, such as large constrictors, can and will eat a dog. Snakes are carnivores and need to eat a varied diet of prey, so it comes as no surprise that a dog could be a valid option.
Of course, as with everything, it gets more complicated than that. For instance, intent, food viability, local laws and regulations, how the prey was prepared, etc.
I'm with you bud don't worry, I don't have issues with puppy's being used. I'm a rodent lover and I had 10 hamster up until earlier this year when they all started passing away from old age and I understand it's the cycle of life and snakes have to eat too. I have no problem with any of this as long as it wasn't done overly gruesome for the animals being eaten. It's the cycle of life, we're part of it too.
Yup, that's my thought. And I'm one of those crazy dog lovers that would kick the shit out of someone for hurting a dog without a damn good reason. I'd have died for any of my dogs.
Depends. What kind of argument are you trying to start?
No animal is any more sacred than another for food.
No animal is any more sacred than another when it comes to abuse, which is what I was talking about. This thread was about dogs in specific, and I am one of those crazy dog people that would choose them over most humans, hence my willingness to fuck someone up over that.
Truth is, though? I'd fuck someone up over most animals. I don't really like people as a whole, despite being a friendly person irl. Individuals can be great, people suck, if you catch the distinction.
But there's a line between abuse and necessity. I've killed animals before, for food and in defense of myself or others. Have no problem doing so again, if the need arises. But when hunting or fishing, any kills are done with minimum possible speed. It isn't about the death itself, it's about how you treat living things. It's why I'm against industrial farming, and source our meat locally from small farms, or "hobby" farms. If the critters aren't being treated bad, I have no issue with farming livestock.
But, I'm lucky enough to live somewhere that local farms actually exist, so I recognize that privilege and don't bash anyone that takes their meat as they can.
Now, there's my basic stance.
Since you were probably looking to start an argument, if you dislike any of that, you can go fuck yourself. If I'm wrong and you were asking as a way to connect with another person and have a civil, friendly conversation about the boundaries of what constitutes ethical animal treatment, then don't go fuck yourself, but be aware that the subject gets old fast online, and as soon as you start bullshit, I'm just blocking and moving on with my day.
In that regard, I recognize that people can have contradictory emotional connections to a given type of animal that they don't to other animals. I am fine with that in others, and I'm fine with that in myself when it arises, though my baseline for what animals are and aren't okay to eat or feed to other animals is essentially about the method of death rather than the animal itself. Some animals taken as food for other animals are never killed quickly and in as peaceful a way as possible, and that bothers me.
I grew up with family that are farmers. I have cousins that still run family farms, including dairy and meat. At that scale, the animals are able to be treated well. Plenty of room to move, no hitting or other violence done to them, good feed, and available veterinary care as needed. They die without human action sometimes, and other than the dairy cows, they end up killed eventually. They're killed quickly, and individually (rather than in large groups which is stressful as the process goes on). I am fine with that.
Everything dies. Even the self regenerating jellyfish and tardigrades, they can die, and will die eventually. What happens to a corpse is meaningless. It's going to feed something, somewhere. I don't care if what it feeds is humans, or other animals instead of bacteria, fungi, and insects.
I will, however, protect my animals by any means available. And I have a soft spot for dogs that means I'll go to harsher methods sooner, even when they aren't mine. More than any other animal, they are our partners. We owe them our best. Is my proclivity to violence as an early option regarding dogs compared to other critters imbalanced? Sure. Don't care. I'm fine with that in others, and myself; we are allowed to have soft spots and inconsistency.
Any other questions are fine, but I'll say again that if you're looking to be a dick, you'll be wasting your time, and I'm who decides that you're being a dick to me.
Every other animal is fair game though right?
Depends. What kind of argument are you trying to start?
No animal is any more sacred than another for food.
No animal is any more sacred than another when it comes to abuse, which is what I was talking about. This thread was about dogs in specific, and I am one of those crazy dog people that would choose them over most humans, hence my willingness to fuck someone up over that.
Truth is, though? I'd fuck someone up over most animals. I don't really like people as a whole, despite being a friendly person irl. Individuals can be great, people suck, if you catch the distinction.
But there's a line between abuse and necessity. I've killed animals before, for food and in defense of myself or others. Have no problem doing so again, if the need arises. But when hunting or fishing, any kills are done with minimum possible speed. It isn't about the death itself, it's about how you treat living things. It's why I'm against industrial farming, and source our meat locally from small farms, or "hobby" farms. If the critters aren't being treated bad, I have no issue with farming livestock.
But, I'm lucky enough to live somewhere that local farms actually exist, so I recognize that privilege and don't bash anyone that takes their meat as they can.
Now, there's my basic stance.
Since you were probably looking to start an argument, if you dislike any of that, you can go fuck yourself. If I'm wrong and you were asking as a way to connect with another person and have a civil, friendly conversation about the boundaries of what constitutes ethical animal treatment, then don't go fuck yourself, but be aware that the subject gets old fast online, and as soon as you start bullshit, I'm just blocking and moving on with my day.
In that regard, I recognize that people can have contradictory emotional connections to a given type of animal that they don't to other animals. I am fine with that in others, and I'm fine with that in myself when it arises, though my baseline for what animals are and aren't okay to eat or feed to other animals is essentially about the method of death rather than the animal itself. Some animals taken as food for other animals are never killed quickly and in as peaceful a way as possible, and that bothers me.
I grew up with family that are farmers. I have cousins that still run family farms, including dairy and meat. At that scale, the animals are able to be treated well. Plenty of room to move, no hitting or other violence done to them, good feed, and available veterinary care as needed. They die without human action sometimes, and other than the dairy cows, they end up killed eventually. They're killed quickly, and individually (rather than in large groups which is stressful as the process goes on). I am fine with that.
Everything dies. Even the self regenerating jellyfish and tardigrades, they can die, and will die eventually. What happens to a corpse is meaningless. It's going to feed something, somewhere. I don't care if what it feeds is humans, or other animals instead of bacteria, fungi, and insects.
I will, however, protect my animals by any means available. And I have a soft spot for dogs that means I'll go to harsher methods sooner, even when they aren't mine. More than any other animal, they are our partners. We owe them our best. Is my proclivity to violence as an early option regarding dogs compared to other critters imbalanced? Sure. Don't care. I'm fine with that in others, and myself; we are allowed to have soft spots and inconsistency.
Any other questions are fine, but I'll say again that if you're looking to be a dick, you'll be wasting your time, and I'm who decides that you're being a dick to me.
Nothing is sacred and life is meaningless so you being however you want is just fine, got it. Don't worry, the amount you replied tells me how triggered you were.
I guess it would depend on Oregon's definition of cruelty and what constitutes as "good animal husbandry."