why are incels frowned/hated upon?
why are incels frowned/hated upon?
Obviously I can understand why mysoginists are hated upon, As their belief is all women are trash or men are superior etc. But why are incels also generally hated upon? They are lacking in a way that makes them unable to gey in a relationship, but that shouldn't necessarily mean they are mysoginists, right?
What am I missing here? I haven't ever had a relationship with a woman, but I don't hate all women either. I just consider myself unlucky. Does that make me an incel?
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No you don’t. Because there isn’t a preponderance of evidence than black people are less trustworthy than non-POC.
Just because an argument sounds similar does not make it the same.
there isn’t a preponderance of evidence than black people are more less trustworthy than non-POC.
That is true, but is not a universally held belief. Many strongly feel that black people are inherently dangerous and untrustworthy. Others feel the same about Muslims. Or Chinese. Or Russians. Or Jewish people. Or Gypsies.
People who feel that way about those groups are called bigots. You feel that way about men which means you are also a bigot. Not a difficult analysis.
Feelings & beliefs =/= statistics
What do FBI crime stats say about Black Americans?
Statistics are easily misconstrued, and often are
We aren’t talking belief here. What I am saying is based off of empirical evidence.
Why are you being so unapologetically obtuse?
You can use FBI crime statistics to make "empirical" arguments about black Americans. Yet I think we both recognize that would be fallacious
I’m gonna ask you again, why are you being unapologetically obtuse?
If you want to challenge the data I’m citing, do it rather than refusing to engage in good faith.
It isn't obtuse to state with moral clarity that it is always wrong to treat someone differently on the basis of their sex
When there’s a preponderance of empirical evidence that a certain group of people poses a larger risk to another group of people, it validates the decision to approach them with caution.
You’re arguing that women should just ignore the reality that they are likely to be assaulted (remember, 81%) and that the people most likely to assault them are men. It is reasonable and right for women to exercise caution and clarity when engaging with men for that reason. This isn’t hard, it requires a person to be willfully ignorant to disagree with it. Get your feelings out of this matter and look at the reality we live in.
When there’s a preponderance of empirical evidence that a certain group of people poses a larger risk to another group of people, it validates the decision to approach them with caution.
Literally Nazi rationale for 1930s Germany. Or White Americans justification for segregation. Or Israeli justification for genocide against Palestinians
People are people. Immutable traits have no influence on how anyone should ever be treated
In every case you cite there was not a preponderance of empirical data. It was fabricated.
Are you arguing that the data I’m citing is fabricated?
You're saying that the FBI crime statistics demonstrating that more crimes per capita are committed by black Americans than any other race are fabricated?
If so, then shouldn't we similarly disbelieve all similar demographic data?
If not, then shouldn't we segregate black Americans away from the rest of us?
The point is that you are making the arguments of a white supremacist and a segregationist
You're saying that the FBI crime statistics demonstrating that more crimes per capita are committed by black Americans than any other race are fabricated?
Yes. I am. But not the way you’re thinking. The data is unreliable for the following, well documented, reasons:
It doesn’t account for socioeconomic disparities, which is a far greater indicator and predictor of crime than race.
It doesn’t acknowledge systemic bias and racism in policing practices, again well documented.
It doesn’t take into account disparities in reporting and data collection.
Ultimately the fbi statistics are in fact questionable for a multitude of reasons, the least of which being that they are direct statistics that don’t take into account underlying causes.
The statistics regarding women and sexual assault are quite straight forward with far fewer underlying questions. The reality is, in fact, that sexual assault is known to be quite under reported and that the numbers we have are known to be understating the issue.