5d ago

Have some civility.

(not OC)

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You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of "not doing a genocide" don't know anything about getting elected and getting things done
loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*
DAMN YOU PUTIN!
- You gotta understand, we only had three months to distance ourselves from Biden but also didn't want to. It was the only way to make sure the donors were happy. You understand right? Stop blaming us for taking no positions and blame yourself for demanding us to take a position to secure your vote. It was a completely unreasonable ask and you knew it!
- What next, you'll demand to be able to afford rent AND food on the average wage? Pick one and be grateful
  
  One? Look at Rockefeller over here.
- No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.
  What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.
  
  If you never said that harris shouldn't be supporting genocide, you never encountered it.
  
  Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.
  Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.
  If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
  
  If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
  Yes, that's the idea. No centrist wants to stop the genocide. It's not like it's something centrists do want to stop, like raising the minimum wage or universal healthcare or cannabis legalization or anything they run on.
  
  Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.
  
  The were too small a demographic to listen to, but they were so influential that they're responsible for trump.
  Sounds like they're kingmakers and maybe they should have been treated accordingly. But that will require belatedly abandoning support for genocide, so centrists never will.
  
  If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.
  Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don't want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.
  
  Be glad those third parties exist. Those people would have spite voted for Trump instead, not for Harris.
  
  At least they’d be forced to own their complicity instead of hiding behind a pointless action.
  
  At the moment of voting there was only one choice which had been complicit in genocide up to that point.
  
  Are you for real?
  Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”
  
  What a shock that liberals care more about what Trump says than what Biden did. The Democrats fully supported Isreal "finishing the job," but you only care about it when Trump says it.
  
  A lot of good your moral superiority is doing for the Palestinians now, huh? Upgrading the 5-ton bombs to 10-tonners, with plans to pave over the West Bank for a billionaire resort.
  You really think that would’ve happened under Harris? Get real.
  Also, I don’t know what liberals you’re referring to. I’m a progressive.
  
  A lot of good your moral superiority is doing for the Palestinians now, huh?
  The same thing democrats' moral cowardice did for them.
  
  Also, I don’t know what liberals you’re referring to. I’m a progressive.
  As I’ve explained elsewhere in this post, unless you want to abolish private ownership of the means of production, you’re probably a liberal. The vast majority of both Democrats and Republicans are liberals. Progressive liberals like Bernie Sanders are still liberals. Sanders will say that It’s OK to Be Angry About Capitalism, and he’ll complain about crony capitalism and über capitalism, but he’ll never question capitalism as such. He’ll never question private ownership of the means of production, in the sanctity of private property.
  Almost the only people who aren’t liberals are either socialists or fascists, and even fascists believe in capitalism just as liberals do.
  
  Upgrading the 5-ton bombs to 10-tonners,
  It's telling that you only care about symbolic bullshit like this, almost like you only care about finding moral liscense to support genocide. Isreal had all the bomb it needed under Biden; his symbolic restrictions saved exactly ZERO Palestinian lives. But you don't care about Palestinian lives, you care about symbolic acts.
  with plans to pave over the West Bank for a billionaire resort.
  Those plans were there under Biden too, you just are only willing to admit it when it's Trump doing that. In that sense, Biden was even worse; because liberals like you are genocide deniers when it's your team doing it.
  You really think that would’ve happened under Harris? Get real.
  Yes, 100% it would, genocide denier. The only thing that would have been different under Harris is that you would have pretended it wasn't happening, and the US would still be massacring Yemeni on behalf of Isreal.
  Also, I don’t know what liberals you’re referring to. I’m a progressive.
  Progressives don't support genocidal fascists.
  
  I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.
  
  Do you think she would’ve upgraded the 5-ton bombs to 10-ton bombs, and provided bulldozers to turn the West Bank into a billionaire resort too?
  
  According to recent reports stating that Biden never applied any pressure to israel, and considering she never made herself different than him on israel, I have no doubt if they asked she would have.
  
  Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris' support of genocide.
  
  What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election
  Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.
  
  A Democrat or a Republican. Welcome to the United States. Select one of the two or one will be selected for you.
  
  *Select one and one will be selected for you anyway
  
  It’s that type of flawless, disengaging thought that brought you the Trump administration. Twice. Maybe try something different to get the 90M eligible voters to show up?
  
  Democrats moved too far to the right.
  The right didn't buy it but the left did. Progressives and leftists tried to warn you but the party did what it wanted anyway, secure in the knowledge that they had plenty of people who will blame the voters if that's what it takes to never listen to them.
  EDIT: typo
  
  Shocking idea but I do not give a shit about the Democrats, maybe they should be trying to appeal to voters rather than the other way around? Oh wait, they cant because as the saying goes your vote doesn't matter unless you buy it in advance.
  
  Nor do I. I did give a shit about preventing the election of a fascist dictator. Apparently that was not as important to you.
  
  If the Democrats wanted to win they should have learned that blaming voters for their losses will get them nowhere. Because its aways the voters fault. If they loose the voters did vote hard enough, if they win the voters didnt vote hard enough so they do nothing, and if they win an outright majority in both houses you better believe that people still didn't vote hard enough because some party traitor will make sure nothing gets passed (or the Republicans will just filibuster).
  
  When do they blame voters? I’ve never heard of that.
  If you’re referring to me, you’re sadly mistaken. I only register as Democrat to vote in their primaries, but they are way too far from my values for me to consider myself one. I blame voters for not doing what smart people should be doing; manipulating their rigged system to gain the most influence rather than wasting your vote on the most ethical and impotent option.
  
  For realz, I'm not a Democrat! I just vote for them in primaries and general elections and defend them when those mean ol' leftists come around.
  The Democratic party may be a big tent party with values of varying progressive pedigree, but the adage of lying with dogs and getting fleas applies.
  
  When do they blame voters? I’ve never heard of that.
  Every time a centrist loses.
  
  "It's the voters vault we ran a terrible right wing candidate."

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